WHILE THE COURTS PLAY PING PONG, THE CHILDREN SUFFER

The Federal Court in Arkansas thought that the parents of the Alamo Ministries had a valid point on Appeal concerning the kidnapping of the children by the State. However, the Judge said that Arkansas should have heard the argument, not the Feds.

That’s a brilliant Decision except for the fact that the Arkansas Court that Ordered the children removed, was no more going to admit it screwed up than barbie was. Besides, since when is a 1983 Motion not a Federal Issue?

The parents of the children were Ordered to abandon their religion or give up their children. Rightfully, the parents told the Judge to stick it up his ass and took the matter into Federal Court. Now, the have taken their case to St. Louis, where the Constitution and Due Process actually may have been read. If not, we can expect the Supreme Court in Washington getting involved if the Government is still standing by then.

The Tony Alamo Christian Ministries is appealing the dismissal of its lawsuit over the removal of children from ministry compounds.

The lawsuit accuses the Arkansas Department of Human Services of harassing the church and violating the religious freedom of members. DHS has removed 36 children and ordered their parents to move off church property and find jobs outside the ministry.

A judge in Miller County has terminated the parental rights of some members after DHS said they had made no progress in meeting those requirements.

A federal judge has dismissed the lawsuit - saying the arguments should be made during child-welfare hearings rather than in a federal lawsuit.

The ministry plans to appeal that ruling to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis.

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Oh yes Ron. I guess we all just sit back and let the courts figure out the right and wrong of an obvious issue ……one dollar at a time.

The time and money that it takes for “justice” to prevail is used as a weapon by the “justice system” Ron. While everyone “practices law” peoples lives are bankrupted and the access to the system is slowed by a law enforcement industry that feeds its members by collecting cash from victims at every step of the process knowing full well that the purpose of chargeing someone has nothing to do with justice.

The State has no right to define the bounds of religious freedom Ron…….the right to chose ones religion and teach ones children that religion is about as fundamental as the constitution……not much room in the equation for debate or legal interference. But then again if ya want to destroy religious freedom just arrest persons for their religious practices and bleed them for years. The law and the courts are being used as a weapon by the majority religion Ron, hardly justice, win or lose.

1. ZXC on February 25th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Thomas - The “KS” would argue that Allen Keate getting 33 years was “righting a wrong.”

My point is that you can’t argue for judicial restraint in one place and then advocate against it in the next.

One man’s “righting a wrong” is another man’s tyranny.

In my mind the Federal Court did the right thing - they told the state court “you’re wrong.” Now they’ve given them a chance to fix it. If the state court refuses then that’s the time to consider more action.

2. Ron in Houston on February 25th, 2010 at 8:42 am
When a State takes the Constitution and uses it for toilet paper, I think the Fed’s should become involved.

Telling parents that the only reason they can’t have their children is because they belong to the “Wrong” Church is pure bullshit.

3. Bill on February 25th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Ron we dont favor the courts when it comes to stealing children. We do favor court action when it comes to righting a wrong.

4. THOMAS on February 25th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Guys - you’re complaining about something that you’d otherwise be horribly opposed to.

See, you guys mistrust the government goons. You want courts to exercise very limited jurisdiction. It’s a two edged sword to have a federal court that feels that it can meddle in a state court’s business.

Since it would work in our favor in this instance you’re all for it. Flip it around and you’d be screaming like a bunch of banshees.

5. Ron in Houston on February 25th, 2010 at 12:00 am
The frustrating thing about federal lawsuits is by the time you prevail the children are all grown up. Hopefully the net result is something similar, like parents working or living where the state doesn’t sanction, will no longer be a factor in custody.

6. Alinusara10 on February 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
ARTICLE LINK

Not much in that article to explain what the “dismissal” is all about here. It’s like the federal court saying the facts are a violation so you should take this federal matter to the state court, which is the court that created the problem.

That’s a rather circular route to getting nothing done!

Evidently this federal judge just doesn’t want anything to do with the case.

7. kent on February 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
As if the Federal Judge did not know that the parents have lost “Permanent” custody of their children, and the kids now belong to the State to be abused and neglected as they see fit.

Sooner or later, this kind of BS will start the shooting war. Count me in.

8. Bill on February 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
“A federal judge has dismissed the lawsuit - saying the arguments should be made during child-welfare hearings rather than in a federal lawsuit.”

This is right out of Kafka.

9. Julie on February 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am

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