Free the FLDS Children - AKA The Freedom Liberty Defenders Society

Bill,

Where are you today?

The SLT has reported that Utah Supreme Court has agreed to hear arguments about the sale of UEP trust assets. I thought you would be all over this like wet blanket.

The Republic of Texas decided to join the Union because Texas was land rich but short on cash. Texas agreed to join the Union if the USA paid Texas’ debts.

Texas has already seceded from the Union once. Texans decided to secede and join the CSA. The Yankees kicked their butts.

My husband proudly says that we are Yankees from California, which was a free state. We never heard of Juneteenth until we moved to Texas. Juneteenth is the day that Texans celebrate receiving word of the Emanicipation Proclamation. Yes, it was Abraham Lincoln and the Yankees who freed Texas’ slaves.

If Harvey Hildrebran received any hate mail, he brought it on himself. A politician shouldn’t be making hate speeches about minority groups, such as the one he made about not wanting the FLDS there and hoping that they would leave.

It is against federal law to discriminate against anyone because of his/her race, religion or ethnic group. Whether we like it or not, Texas is part of the Union. Americans have every right to insist that Texans, including politicians, follow our government’s laws.

Harvey says he’s getting “hate mail” from the FLDS and he is happy about it. It would be interesting to read what he’s recieved. If it were real hate mail, I don’t think he would be too happy about getting it.

He’s got a long way to go in protecting the little girls of Texas, since the middle schools have more prego’s than any other state. Funny that his little crusade corresponds to the FLDS moving in to the neighborhood

Some of those anti Flds sites seem almost pornographic. They seem to have some sort of voyeuristic need to peer over private writings of the spiritual leader at the time through even the listing of each person’s family tree.

c’mon Cupcake!

Remember that story you told about the lesbian couple, the petite one and the big mama?

Big Mama was the dyke. Male, dominate member of the lesbo duet.

What I dont get though, is why big mama dyke let the petite one kick his/her ass.

I guess some big dykes have a sense of chivalry? Who knew!?!?

Sorry, but I don’t know the origin of the term “dyke.”

Nazi Dyke Gestapo Fluckers.

Thats it!

Stick with dyke Nazis…………they sure don’t like it.

Since when do dyke Nazis deserve the least bit of considerastion.

Souns like all the hub-bub about what to call a bunch of Nazis without offending the Nazis is only minimizing the Nazis. A Nazi is a Nazi and CPS dykes are CPS dykes …………….kinda likle lipstick on a pig to change a derogatory term this far into the fight.

“Fluckers” bill you do have some nerve, I would never consider asking Maggie! Go head ask, !!!!!

Bill: Now, it “Owes” brucie close to 3 million so that he can destroy the Trust.

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I suspect it now owes far more than that, which is why Brucie hasn’t submitted an accounting in over a year. He doesn’t want an appeals court to know how much he’s paying himself to do the state’s dirty business.

Considering all the abuse (and threats) flung at anyone who spoke against the cruel and inhumane way that CPS treated the FLDS children and mothers, I really don’t care what Bill calls the Nazis.

The United States is one of the big five in the United Nations. The United Nations lists the transfer of children from one group to another as a form of genocide, which is against international law.

If you told me a few years ago that some day I would be an FLDS defender, I would never have believed you. Like many Americans, I believed that genocide only occurred in third world countries. When I read that Judge Walthers ordered that all the FLDS children be placed in foster care, I knew I had to speak against it.

How can we speak against the atrocities committed in Rwanda, the Balkans and other countries if we permit the same behavior in our own country?

Barbara Walthers is an attorney and a judge, so she can’t very well plead ignorance of international law.

Harvey Hildrebran may have good intentions, but I’ve often heard that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The KS argue that underage marriage is wrong. I myself don’t believe in underage marriage. But when I was a little girl, my mother taught me that two wrongs don’t make a right.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Bill

A great article about a very important issue and you had to blow it by using offensive terms.

Why do you do this?

Listen Doran, Long and Kemp were part of this and I can pretty much be 100% certain they aren’t lesbians. (Though I have my doubts about which team Longs plays for).

So…………..I guess dykes are offended when CPS are labeled dykes. Could be that dykes are offended because the CPS are so lowlife that even the word dyke is an improvement. every dyke that I have known has been proud to be called a dyke…………perhaps Bill is being too nice.

Oh well…………..can’t please everyone.

I like the term bozos but I am sure the bozo the clown supporters are offended by associateing the term bozo to the dyke CPS bimbos.

“If you don’t want Bill to use the word “dyke,” is there a word you would prefer that he use?” - cupcake
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It is of my opinion that it would be better to describe the actions of individuals rather than being offensive towards a “group” of people. Calling lesbian women dykes is offensive towards all lesbians. In my opinion that is no better than what the state is doing to FLDS.

I alone am responsible for my own actins. What I prefer truly doesn’t matter, this is Bill’s blog. It is up to Bill to make changes if he so chooses.

I on the other hand know that I will not personally offend select groups of people. I see no progress in doing as such and have come to the decision that I will not associate myself with individuals who do.

It has been my experience that State employees have been marginal in their jobs at best. Sure there are a few good apples in the barrel but few is the key word here.

Got a degree in basket weaveing a State agency might just hire you to manage a budget.

State jobs attract people who value “benefits” and whine about the pay…………..beats a minimum wage job any day.

State employees have a “culture” of their own and in many cases are unemployable in the private sector. Look at other state agencies…………prisons, MHMR, CPS, health department and the number of scandles in each of those agencies in the recent past.

Look at a Governor that was elected with 38% of the vote and his attitude about secession.

Texas government is full of people that I wouldn’t employ to pump out my septic tank……they would spill crap everywhere then fine you for a sewage leak.

My personal preference is “feminazi”, but dyke works too.

I also want to say that every child who suffered the type of abuse I referenced above and was not saved from it due to the amount of time and effort wasted on taking 100+ children who were in no danger of being abused (because really, how many of the children who were taken in the YFZ raid were in the age range where they might have possibly been getting married or were married underage? And I don’t even know if the FLDS people are able to marry at all now with Warren in jail!) is a victim of the travesty that this website was created to protest.

What got me involved in this case was Walther’s regard to breast feeding children. I considered Walther’s a sadist when she wanted to seperate breastfeeding babies from their mothers who were not guilty of committing any crime. Sadist’s are not limited to people who have a specific sexual preference.

Correct, ultimately they didn’t win, they have all the information stored somewhere, they no longer need the blood samples.

Texas officials want polygamist group to pay cost of raid
May 21st, 2008 @ 11:21am
(AP Photo/Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints)

(KSL News) The costs related to the raid of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compound and the ensuing foster care and court battles are adding up. Texas officials think the church should foot the bill.

According to the Austin American-Statesman, the cost of the initial raid is estimated at a little more than $5.2 million, but that’s only the beginning.

Officials say it will cost at least $2.2 million to help the local courts handle legal proceedings for each child. They also think an additional $1.7 million will be needed each month to care for children in the custody of the state.

Texas state lawmakers are now trying to figure out how they can force those still living on the compound to pay the expenses, possibly by selling the land it sits on.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3356668

The state did not follow proper protocol when intercepting a so called Hoax, then wants FLDS to pay for it? Tell me this wasn’t about money?

Bill one’s sexual preference has absolutely nothing to do with what has happened in Texas. I know plenty of kind same sex parents who have raised socially constructive (straight) children. Start following the money trail.

This goes way beyond Texas. Please read:

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news115.htm

http://homesteadingthebackforty.blogspot.com/2008/05/government-mandated-nationwide-infant.html

and

http://www.forensicmag.com/News_Articles.asp?pid=534

The bill is S 1858 and the more worrying part aside from the lack of obtaining permission to take the sample and us it is the phrase that isn’t explained, “for other purposes”.

“Other purposes” leaves the samples open for use in further legislation among “other” things. Like allowing the denial of medical insurance on preexisting conditions by insurance companies. Truthfully, what would be the use of keeping those samples instead of disposing of them after the initial tests if someone doesn’t keep track of the child’s medical records for life to see if they develop any of those diseases tested for. To see if they develop and at what stage in their life. So effectively, it wipes out medical confidentiality with the words “for other purposes”.

“For other purposes” as one can tell if you read enough on the subject includes access by law enforcement. The DNA is accessible by a number of government agencies and with no clear definitions and boundaries before even committing a crime, in a system riddled with corruption and mistakes, our children’s DNA can regularly be tested for a match to crime scene evidence. This would bypass all our laws on taking DNA from a suspect and the 4th Amendment rights against taking DNA forcibly. So in effect, with the establishment of the national DNA database, our children and grandchildren lose a fundamental right of privacy as their DNA becomes government property.

The very name of the bill, Newborn Screening Saves Lives, should have put every American on their guard, that is if there had been any publicity carried by the national media. How exactly does it save lives? The children tested are already born and a genetic inclination for a disease is born with one. Will the government actively be involved in the medical treatment of every child born? Will they be guiding doctors as to what to watch for in a particular child and what preventative measures to take or what treatments will work best, in their opinion when a problem arises?

There are those who have speculated that this bill is a precursor to a massive eugenics program. They have gone as far as to predict the information could be used in issuing licenses to have children with your mate based on your DNA and the probability of giving birth to a child who may have some “defect”. Shades of the Chinese response to overpopulation.

Whatever the intention of the bill, the way it was passed and the way it’s been carried out is downright sinister. As are the unexplained words, “For other purposes”. If my dislike for this bill formally puts me under the heading of conspiracy theorist, the more I read about it, the more I say, “Pass me one of those tin foil hats.”

Bush Signs Bill To Take All Newborns’ DNA

Brase states that S.1858 and H.R. 3825, the House version of the bill, will:

• Establish a national list of genetic conditions for which newborns and children are to be tested.
• Establish protocols for the linking and sharing of genetic test results nationwide.
• Build surveillance systems for tracking the health status and health outcomes of individuals diagnosed at birth with a genetic defect or trait.
• Use the newborn screening program as an opportunity for government agencies to identify, list, and study “secondary conditions” of individuals and their families.
• Subject citizens to genetic research without their knowledge or consent.
“Soon, under this bill, the DNA of all citizens will be housed in government genomic biobanks and considered governmental property for government research,” Brase writes. “The DNA taken at birth from every citizen is essentially owned by the government, and every citizen becomes a potential subject of government-sponsored genetic research.”

“The public is clueless. S. 1858 imposes a federal agenda of DNA databanking and population-wide genetic research. It does not require consent and there are no requirements to fully inform parents about the warehousing of their child’s DNA for the purpose of genetic research.”

In a previous report we outlined the consequences of the already existing DNA warehousing operation in Minnesota, a program that the Citizens’ Council on Health Care has been following closely for a number of years.

Ms. Brase explained in a statement last month that state Health Department officials are now seeking exemption for the so called “DNA Warehouse” from Minnesota privacy law. This would enable state officials to continue to take the DNA of newborn infants without consent, which would also set the precedent for nationwide policy on DNA screening.

DNA of newborns has already been harvested, tested, stored and experimented with nationwide.

The National Conference of State Legislatures lists for all 50 states, as well as the District of Columbia, the various statutes or regulatory provisions under which newborns’ DNA is already being collected.

In addition, all 50 states are now routinely providing these results to the Department of Homeland Security.

The Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007 merely establishes this practice within the law.

Another vocal critic of bill S. 1858 is Texas Congressman Ron Paul who made the following comments before the U.S. House of Representatives:

“I cannot support legislation, no matter how much I sympathize with the legislation’s stated goals, that exceed the Constitutional limitations on federal power or in any way threatens the liberty of the American people. Since S. 1858 violates the Constitution, and may have untended consequences that will weaken the American health care system and further erode medical privacy, I must oppose it.”

Paul, a medical doctor himself continued, “S. 1858 gives the federal bureaucracy the authority to develop a model newborn screening program. Madame Speaker the federal government lacks both the constitutional authority and the competence to develop a newborn screening program adequate for a nation as large and diverse as the United States. …”

“Those of us in the medical profession should be particularly concerned about policies allowing government officials and state-favored interests to access our medical records without our consent … My review of S. 1858 indicates the drafters of the legislation made no effort to ensure these newborn screening programs do not violate the privacy rights of parents and children,” Paul continued.

“In fact, by directing federal bureaucrats to create a contingency plan for newborn screening in the event of a ‘public health’ disaster, this bill may lead to further erosions of medical privacy. As recent history so eloquently illustrates, politicians are more than willing to take, and people are more than willing to cede, liberty during times of ‘emergency,” he concluded.

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Public Health disaster my foot!

http://www.infowars.com/bush-signs-bill-to-take-all-newborns-dna/

Our children are property of who?

Bill,

My daughter and I would like more information about this lawsuit because both of us had babies in Texas. Neither of us knew that the state had taken samples of our children’s DNA. This is the first time we have heard about it.

My daughter asks if the DNA samples were taken for medical research, did the state tell families if their babies had a genetic disease?

My husband is also upset because the state took a sample without his authorization. He says that like something that a communist country would do. He feels Texas should have informed us and obtained our consent before doing so.

We really don’t like this because some insurance companies deny coverage based on information from a DNA sample. Our children and grandchildren don’t live in Texas any more. Texas does not need samples of their DNA.

Thanks for informing us.

Of the 5 million samples taken there were less than 1000 samples destroyed on the request of parents before the lawsuit was settled. The issue was made public about a year ago and only a miniscule amount of parents cared enough to request the removal of the data.

I am sure that the extreme minority that cried foul is satisfied with the outcome of the DNA collection and as far as the $30 insurance picked up the tab in most cases.

There may have been nothing sinister in the states plans to track genetic diseases but hey…..kinda unethical.

If you want a real issue how about the habit of several counties harvesting organs from the dead WITHOUT the families permission. seems that the body belongs to the State and permission is only a courtesy to the family…so says Travis County.

Here’s a few questions?

What is the name of the federal lawsuit? Was it a class action suit?
Are the babies whose DNA samples were taken without their parents’ permission entitled to any compensation?
Will the parents who were charged $30.00 for this invasive procedure get their money back?
What can be done to force Texas to destroy the data base?