Free the FLDS Children - AKA The Freedom Liberty Defenders Society

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1. Bill,

   If Ziggy said something inappropriate, it must have been a long time ago because I don’t remember it.

   Let’s not get into this. Awhile ago, one of the KS accused a person of posting hateful things about Afro-Americans on a racist skinhead site. The person flatly denied being a racist or a skinhead. I believe they made these accusations to drive the man from the SLT.

   Then a person using a different screen name posted something the KS disliked. The KS accused the second person of being the same “racist skinhead” they had driven from the SLT. Well, I continued to read the second person’s posts and discovered the second person was actually a woman.

   1. cupcake on December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 pm

2. I dislike the Westboro Baptists too, Mayaan. But I dislike them for a different reason.

   My husband is in the military. Westboro Baptists picket military funerals, claiming that God is punishing our country for tolerating homosexuality. They are very disrespectful to our soldiers and to the families of soldiers killed in the line of duty.

   2. cupcake on December 21st, 2009 at 9:40 pm

3. What comment was that? I would not let anybody make a bad comment on this site.

   3. Bill on December 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pm

4. The important thing GB is that there are persons like you and me that fight for justice no matter what we believe in or our color!!!
   But I can tell you that during this FLDS “defense” journey, I have had lots of antisemitic comments from ziggy who was a friendly person with the flds and nobody ever said anything to him about bigotry!!!
   So its the same!!
   Still my values to stand up for the FLDS where first, because like the poem you posted said, when they came for me nobody stood up, and i dont want that to happen!!!!

   4. Maayan on December 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pm

5. Maayan my good friend,

   You are preaching to the Choir. :))

   5. Bill on December 21st, 2009 at 11:21 am

6. Bill,
   It’s everywhere!!! Have you seen the antisemitism with the westboro baptist church? It’s a shame!! When they are picking in front of our schools? Or when Arab countries attack Israel and we can’t hit back cause USA will get mad. It’s all about politics. We Jewish people have also been busy defending ourselfs. And nobody stands there for us either. My cousin just wrote on facebook like 4 days ago about those westboro people and how he has to explain to his 3 year old how they hate him because he is Jewish. And nobody stands there for us!!! No poligamy group, nobody. So I do think it’s a little ironic to say why don’t you stand for us when we are also there alone. ( you know I have been here all along). WW2 is no different in antisemitism then to now. Just look at the papers, Europe etc…. And USA permits groups like the WEstboro and does nothing about it an that is why they sponsor hate.

   6. Maayan on December 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am

7. It’s ironic that we are having this discussion on the day that the infamous sign from Auschwitz was recovered. The sign was damaged by the thieves who stole it, but at least it was found.

   7. Cupcake on December 21st, 2009 at 1:26 am

8. I agree with every single word you wrote Maayan, and have spent my entire life battling antisemitism and defending the State and people of Israel.

   I do wish however that the heads of the organizations who decry the atrocities suffered by the Jewish people would recognize that bigotry and religious persecution extends not only to Jews, but to other groups as well.

   If the Ranch members were Pilegesh Jews, (Which do exist not only in Israel, but right here in America) you have to admit that every single Temple in the Country would be up in arms defending them.

   Why are they so silent now? I have to admit, I’m a bit ashamed of our leaders reaction to this tragedy for the children.

   The Texas bigots attack the Mormons because they see them as an easy target that no one will stand up and defend. That’s the way Hitler got away with it too.

   8. Bill on December 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

9. of course they dont like us, nobody does, we have always been fighting for people to respect our identity and our history. But the good thing is that we are all united, and we are strong and we mantain our traditions. If we are religious or not, we celebrate shabat, hanuka, passover, purim, etc.. we have jewish schools all around the world and our children go to those schools where they continue teaching them the love for our religion and for our people and respect for other cultures.
   I guess they have never heard, but Texas too has a big comunity, and the people there support politics too, so i guess barbies group and mr hilderwhatever (a little like hitler) will go down with the snow, guess they will melt soon!!!
   Dont worry Bill, we are used to this, and we teach our children to never forget, so this doesnt happen again, and im sure it wont. We have Israel, we have all the jewish groups around the world supporting our country and we are not afraid!!!

   9. Maayan on December 20th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

10. My family is of German descent. My father’s mother was from Germany. I grew up hearing how my father and uncles had to choose between fighting for or against his cousins in Germany. When push came to shove, my father voluntarily enlisted in the U.S. army the day after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

    My mother’s grandparents came to America from Germany. My mother worked in a defense plant (like Rosie the riveter) during the war. She was so embarrassed and ashamed of the Nazis that she refused to tell anyone that she was of German descent during and after WWII. When I asked her why, she said, “Because Germans are the most cruel people in the world.”

    My parents often complained about how Hitler (who was an Austrian, not a German) had utterly disgraced Germany by persecuting the Jews. My parents believed Germans would never be able to live down the shame of being the villains of the Holocaust. My parents pointed out that Germany suffered horribly and was divided into East and West Germany after WWII.

    My father said things like, “The Jews were German too. They just went to a different church than we do.”

    Growing up as a child of a WWII veteran of German descent greatly influenced my views about hatred. I believe that hatred brings shame, disgrace and humiliation to the person or government who is doing the hating.

    Texans may believe that they are doing the right thing by persecuting the Mormon fundies now. But fifty years from now, Texans might be singing a different tune.

    10. Cupcake on December 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

11. The 53 raid was a bit soon after WWII and a whole lot of vets were asking about the things they had fought for going down the drain. The initial support for the raid fizzled.

    Now we have a rerun of the 53 event. Looks like the grandchildren of the WWII generation didn’t learn what their Grandpas fought for.

    There’s your timeline for forgetfulness.

    11. zxc on December 20th, 2009 at 11:14 am

12. I think Christian fundies hate anyone who isn’t like them.
    Unfortunately, their hatred and bigotry are so deeply ingrained
    that they can’t see it for what it is. So they twist the facts
    around and accuse us of preaching hatred.

    But I am hoping they will remember why WWII was fought.
    I’ve read that we should never forget the Holocaust.
    If we do, the horrors (of genocide) could happen again.

    What surprises me are the people like TBM and Greetings,
    who claim to belong to a minority group but think nothing
    of persecuting another minority group. They of all people
    should know that it is morally wrong to hate people because
    of their race, religion or ethnic group. How soon people forget!

    12. Cupcake on December 20th, 2009 at 1:13 am

13. Not for a New York minute. If they could turn back time, they would be throwing the Jews into the ovens in a heartbeat. The only difference is that the Klan will tell you that to your face while the hairball, barbie and Randy will “Officially” condemn antisemitism, and promptly return to their restricted Country Clubs.

    The closest thing to a Temple Harvey will ever get near is the Mason’s Temple that has no Jewish members in his Chapter. We’re talking WASP here boy, and the “P” eliminates Catholics as well.

    Unless you got shit on your shoe’s, dirt in your ears, A big stupid hat that bends your ears down, 6 dogs under your front porch and talk no faster than 8 words a minute, you just ain’t gonna make it in the Big T.

    13. Bill on December 19th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

14. You really think those Christian fundies like Jews any better than Mormons?

    14. Julie on December 19th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

15. Maybe this will help open a few Texans’ eyes so that they can see how truly hateful they have behaved.

    15. Cupcake on December 19th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

16. Exactly. By substituting terms we
    can often see through the fog
    of hatred and bigotry to the truth.

    16. Bob on December 19th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

17. Is that really Constitutional?

    17. Bill on December 19th, 2009 at 9:12 pm