Comments on: CPS KILLS KID IN FOSTER CARE, TWO YEARS LATER ALLOWS MOM TO VISIT SURVIVING DAUGHTER. http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/ Defending Due Process, Religious Liberty, Human Rights, Constitutional Rights, and Freedom for the FLDS Community and All Of Us! Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:34:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Bill http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69229 Bill Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:33:51 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69229 Sorry, but that's still the way it is. The only difference is that they file some worthless papers that do nothing, say nothing, and change nothing. An example is the "Parenting classes" the Ranch mothers had to undergo. Would anyone but a complete fool but their children with Angie or Natalie over Barbara or Maggie? Sorry, but that’s still the way it is. The only difference is that they file some worthless papers that do nothing, say nothing, and change nothing.

An example is the “Parenting classes” the Ranch mothers had to undergo.

Would anyone but a complete fool but their children with Angie or Natalie over Barbara or Maggie?

]]> By: Riki http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69228 Riki Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:19:39 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69228 Cupcake, the state legislature placed that time limit on CPS because they were hauling kids out of their parents' homes, slamming them into foster care, then walking away & not investigating, providing services, or doing anything else. Shocking, huh? Cupcake, the state legislature placed that time limit on CPS because they were hauling kids out of their parents’ homes, slamming them into foster care, then walking away & not investigating, providing services, or doing anything else. Shocking, huh?

]]> By: Cupcake http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69183 Cupcake Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:03:13 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69183 18 months? There lies the problem. It takes some alcoholics/addicts years to get clean and sober. I'm not talking about detoxing. I'm talking about staying clean and sober and becoming a productive member of society. Alcoholism is a disease like cancer. The disease isn't considered to be in remission until an alcoholic has been clean and sober for 5 years. 18 months?

There lies the problem. It takes some alcoholics/addicts years to get clean and sober. I’m not talking about detoxing. I’m talking about staying clean and sober and becoming a productive member of society.

Alcoholism is a disease like cancer. The disease isn’t considered to be in remission until an alcoholic has been clean and sober for 5 years.

]]> By: JMR http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69181 JMR Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:04:36 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69181 I believe the NCCPR blog mentioned that MIT did a study on whether it was better to remove children from their parents custody or to give them nominal services and monitoring. In general, giving them services was better (less abuse and better child social performance), if I remember it correctly. Society would better off leaving children with their parents and letting them suffer some minor amount of neglect/abuse rather than subjecting them to the major upheaval of removal and the foster care abuse. CPS defense attorneys should make the state prove that it will better for each child to enter care by a preponderance of the evidence, including studies of the effectiveness of the foster care system. I believe the NCCPR blog mentioned that MIT did a study on whether it was better to remove children from their parents custody or to give them nominal services and monitoring. In general, giving them services was better (less abuse and better child social performance), if I remember it correctly. Society would better off leaving children with their parents and letting them suffer some minor amount of neglect/abuse rather than subjecting them to the major upheaval of removal and the foster care abuse. CPS defense attorneys should make the state prove that it will better for each child to enter care by a preponderance of the evidence, including studies of the effectiveness of the foster care system.

]]> By: Riki http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69178 Riki Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:21:56 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69178 Cupcake, by statute, CPS has a maximum of 18 months to finish the case. Most end in termination because CPS dumps so many requirements on the parents that many give up (because they don't have attorneys or anyone helping them). And it is very true that once a child is in foster care or placed for adoption, CPS will turn a blind eye to any abuse that happens, no matter what the evidence is. Cupcake, by statute, CPS has a maximum of 18 months to finish the case. Most end in termination because CPS dumps so many requirements on the parents that many give up (because they don’t have attorneys or anyone helping them). And it is very true that once a child is in foster care or placed for adoption, CPS will turn a blind eye to any abuse that happens, no matter what the evidence is.

]]> By: Cupcake http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69175 Cupcake Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:07:47 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69175 Also, I misread your article. I thought the aunt and uncle were foster parents. I believe foster parents are monitored by social services. When I reread your article, I realized you said that the aunt and uncle had adopted the children. They starved the little girl after they adopted her. I may be wrong about this, but I don't think social services monitors children after they have been legally adopted. I don't think CPS gave this biological mother enough time to get clean and sober before they terminated her parental rights and put her children up for adoption. Also, I misread your article. I thought the aunt and uncle were foster parents. I believe foster parents are monitored by social services.

When I reread your article, I realized you said that the aunt and uncle had adopted the children. They starved the little girl after they adopted her. I may be wrong about this, but I don’t think social services monitors children after they have been legally adopted.

I don’t think CPS gave this biological mother enough time to get clean and sober before they terminated her parental rights and put her children up for adoption.

]]> By: Cupcake http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69174 Cupcake Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:02:56 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69174 Bill, My husband did not have any children when he was drinking. Although he and I were platonic friends, I would not have anything to do with him romantically until he was clean and sober for about 5 years. We were married and had children after he cleaned himself up. I agree with you that that CPS should tro to help chemically dependent mothers go into rehab and help raise their children until they can do it on their own instead of quickly terminating their parental rights. Unfortunately, I have known people who were incapable of staying clean and sober for any length of time. It really depends on how sick the chemically dependent person is. Bill,

My husband did not have any children when he was drinking. Although he and I were platonic friends, I would not have anything to do with him romantically until he was clean and sober for about 5 years. We were married and had children after he cleaned himself up.

I agree with you that that CPS should tro to help chemically dependent mothers go into rehab and help raise their children until they can do it on their own instead of quickly terminating their parental rights.

Unfortunately, I have known people who were incapable of staying clean and sober for any length of time. It really depends on how sick the chemically dependent person is.

]]> By: Riki http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69167 Riki Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:15:17 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69167 Not only that, WC, but uniformed law enforcement officers were heard telling crying kids they would never see their mothers or their siblings again, so get used to it. And with many more such warm expressions of love & compassion, CPS, CASA, the OAG, & law enforcement still wonder why the kids hated them so much. Not only that, WC, but uniformed law enforcement officers were heard telling crying kids they would never see their mothers or their siblings again, so get used to it.

And with many more such warm expressions of love & compassion, CPS, CASA, the OAG, & law enforcement still wonder why the kids hated them so much.

]]> By: THOMAS http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69162 THOMAS Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:29:44 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69162 at the beginning of the FLDS ordeal, CPS had no intention of returning the children. at the beginning of the FLDS ordeal, CPS had no intention of returning the children.

]]> By: WC http://www.flds.ws/2009/12/14/cps-kills-kid-in-foster-care-two-years-later-allows-mom-to-visit-surviving-daughter/#comment-69161 WC Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:20:06 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1681#comment-69161 When asked, CPS told the FLDS moms when seperated from their kids that they would probably never see them again- instead of "I don't know", which was the truth. These are the kind of people that are CPS. It seems like they WANT to inflict suffering on families. I wouldn't trust them. When asked, CPS told the FLDS moms when seperated from their kids that they would probably never see them again- instead of “I don’t know”, which was the truth. These are the kind of people that are CPS. It seems like they WANT to inflict suffering on families. I wouldn’t trust them.

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