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1. The poem called “The Laws of God, the Laws of Man” is interesting because Housman was a closet homosexual.

   1. Cupcake on December 15th, 2009 at 12:19 am

2. I know I’ve bored you to death with poety. No one in England was ever sent to prison because of his hair color. But you can substitute his hair color with any minor sin or character defect. It’s a good illustration of man’s inhumanity toward man.

   2. Cupcake on December 15th, 2009 at 12:17 am

3. Here’s another of Alfred Housman’s. I like his work because he makes me think.

   The laws of God, the laws of man

   By Alred Housman (1895)

   The laws of God, the laws of man,
   He may keep that will and can;
   Not I: let God and man decree
   Laws for themselves and not for me;
   And if my ways are not as theirs
   Let them mind their own affairs.
   Their deeds I judge and much condemn,
   Yet when did I make the laws for them?
   Please yourselves, say I, and they
   Need only look the other way.
   But no, they will not; they must still
   Wrest their neighbor to their will,
   And make me dance as they desire
   With jail and gallows and hell-fire.
   And how am I to face the odds
   Of man’s bedevilment and God’s?
   I, a stranger and afraid
   In a world I never made.
   They will be master, right or wrong;
   Though both are foolish, both are strong.
   And since, my soul, we cannot fly
   To Saturn nor to Mercury,
   Keep we must, if we can,
   These foreign laws of God and man.

   3. Cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

4. Here’s one of my husband’s favorite poems.

   Oh who is that young sinner
   by Alared Edward Housman (1859-1936)

   Oh who is that young sinner with the handcuffs on his wrists
   And what has he been afater that the groan and shake their fists?
   And wherefore he is wearing such a conscience-striken air?
   Oh they are taking him to prison for the colour of his hair.

   ‘Tis a shame to human nature, such a head of hair as his;
   In the good old time ’twas hanging for the colour that it is;
   Though hanging isn’t bad enough and flaying would be fair
   For the nameless and abominable colour of his hair.

   Oh a deal of pains he’s taken and a pretty price he’s paid
   To hide his poll or dye it of a mentionable shade
   But they’ve pulled the beggar’s hat off for the world to see and stare
   And they are haling him to justice for the colour of his hair.

   Now ’tis oakum for his fingers and the treadmill for his feet
   And the quarry-gang on Portland in the cold and in the heat,
   And between his spells of labour in the time he has to spare
   He can curse the God who made him for the colour of his hair.

   4. Cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

5. The thought of the FLDS selling the ranch to Muslims is funny. If the KS spoke about Muhammed the way they talk about Joseph Smith, they’d risk of ending up like Van Gogh’s grandson.

   Truthfully, we should treat the leaders of the world’s religions with respect, even if we disagree with their teachings.

   There are good and bad in every race, religion and ethnic group.

   5. Cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

6. Second reading on barbie’s chit chat with the jury members;

   If she was merely telling them not to watch the news or discuss the case, it would have been done in open Court, all at once, and then they would have been dismissed until Monday.

   Barbie likes to keep the “Children” (Her term for the lawyers) working very late. She didn’t end the Court day at 4:00 to be nice.

   Something happened, and she’s trying to head it off to avoid getting into a mistrial.

   The defense has every single right to know what the discussion was about, and if she refuses, then I would file a Motion for a mistrial. If she refuses, then the refusal needs to be excepted to formally by the defense.

   She does not have the right to Voir Dire the Jury except in the presence of Council on both sides.

   6. Bill on December 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

7. They’re there maybe because the Texas casas have already been decided- guilty.

   7. WC on December 12th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

8. “She was giving them instructions about not…reading or watching news coverage so that she wouldn’t have to sequester them.”

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   She’s a little late on that, isn’t she?

   8. Julie on December 12th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

9. Then that makes much more sense.

   9. Bill on December 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

10. Willie wasn’t in the courtroom, he was in Kingman for the Prophet’s hearing, along with Lyle, Merril, Wendell, J.D. Roundy and Kevin Barlow.

    She wasn’t questioning them on misconduct. She was giving them instructions about not talking about the case and not reading or watching news coverage so that she wouldn’t have to sequester them.

    10. Willie wasn't on December 12th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

11. The thought of the FLDS selling out to say, Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam and watching as the temple comes down only to see it replaced with a a huge gleaming white limestone Mosque complete with 6 or so minarets, seeing the OMG expressions by the locals is tempting. However, I hope the FLDS stays at YFZ and prospers. They have a right to live wherever the hell they want to, whether in Texas, California, NY, colorado, S.D. or Florida. If they decide to leave Texas because of the bigots, that would do nothing more than legitimize prejudice and bigotry. We as a nation are supposed to have learned something from the slavery, jim crow, and racism of the past against blacks, hispanics and asians.
    I’m a Texan, I believe there are non-bigots in San Angelo and even Eldorado. We can’t let the bigots dictate to the rest of us or allow them to control other people’s lives.

    11. duaneh on December 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

12. And you are far from alone. The owner of this site is an LDS Mormon. Many of this sites staunchest supporters are LDS Mormon’s.

    Most of the remaining supporters are Baptist’s.

    I know this to be a fact, and so does the FLDS. At the same time, we also know that the LDS leadership, as well as Baptist groups such as Arrow Children and Family’s, The Eldorado First Baptist Church and the Baptist Children and Families homes were instramental in making available their property and their staff to allow CPS and CASA to sexually abuse, physically abuse, medically abuse and neglect the children of the Ranch.

    While the Salvation Army refused permission to CASA and CPS to use their facilities, the First Baptist Church of Eldorado had no problem whatsoever in giving the children SANE exams on their property.

    If barbie really wants to prosecute child sexual molesters, she needs to start with herself.

    12. Bill on December 12th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

13. Let’s be honest. The media has played a big role in vilifying the FLDS too.

    I lived in Texas when the FLDS first migrated there. I remember seeing an episode on 60 minutes (may be it was 48 hours?) about the FLDS migrating. I had never heard of the FLDS before. The program presented the FLDS in an extremely negative light. Just the mention of Warren Jeffs’ name seemed to send a jolt of static electricity through the air.

    It wasn’t until the ranch was raided that I realized the FLDS were the Mormons who hadn’t given up polygamy. As a member of the LDS church, I felt compelled to help them. It doesn’t matter to me if they follow a different prophet than I do. The Community of Christ also follows a different prophet. I would have wanted to help the Community of Christ if their community had been raided too.

    13. cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

14. Most sociologists agree that America will break up within 25 years. I’m hoping for 5, because I would like to be around when the reckoning comes.

    When it does, Texas will be swallowed by Mexico and if the good old boys open their big traps, the Mexican drug warlords will make short shrift of them.

    Only last night I told the Ranch that the dumbest thing they ever did was move to Texas, why would they ever agree to move into a cesspool?

    I have never been to Alaska, but I have no yen to either. The place might be just ducky for an Eskimo, but it’s not a place I would want to raise children.

    Until we rid ourselves of the despotic Government we now have and return to a free and open democratic society, there really is no place to be free of the tyranny.

    By the hour, the goons make more and more believers out of those hated “Civilians”, and it won’t be very long before they find themselves having to walk around in SWAT gear 24/7

    That’s when folks will wake up and realize that we’ve been walking down the same gullible path Germany did in the 1930s.

    14. Bill on December 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

15. Texans are full of themselves. I’m originally from California. I thought Californians were arrogant, but California’s arrogance is nothing compared to Texas’s vanity. It’s like nobody ever told Texans that pride is a sin.

    I agree with ZCX about the FLDS not being the true issue. The core is anything that doesn’t fit Texans’ narrow vision of the world.

    15. cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

16. Or at least partition part of the county off so we can relocate all the locals there. Call it the Scheister/Gaza strip.

    16. WC on December 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

17. I have a differing opinion. I think all the locals need to pack their stuff and move out of the county, they obviously are not going to accept the FLDS set of values.

    17. WC on December 12th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

18. Sell the ranch not just to any brother but to some Islamic converting brothers. That would really anger their society. The FLDS could buy a deserted Alaskan prairie and live in peace away from haters, while Eldorado would become an Islamburg. The best thing is they wouldn’t be able to bully the Islamic brothers, unlike the FLDS their not white, if they tried bullying and showing their bigotry for the bros the FBI, ACLU, SPLC, would be down there really distorting their society.

    I think the biggest mistake of the FLDS was moving to West Texas. The FLDS diminishes their power by spreading out rather than staying in Utah. At least in Utah they’d be surrounded by other Mormons who have some knowledge of Mormon history. Really, what was the FLDS thinking? The FLDS stick out in west Texas like an Elephant in NYC.

    18. plainly seen on December 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am

19. Bill: “…sell the Ranch to the brothers.”

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    That would get the Empire Knights into their sheets!

    19. Julie on December 12th, 2009 at 10:34 am

20. My recommendation to the Ranch very early on was to
    get the children back, then sue the State blind, deaf and dumb, and then find a large inner-city Church or Mosque in L.A. and sell the Ranch to the brothers.

    20. Bill on December 12th, 2009 at 9:59 am

21. The GSA site was very entertaining while they allowed me to post. Any disagreement with LE on almost any matter, even subjects not related to the FLDS drew personal attacks.

    It showed me that the core issue in the area isn’t only the FLDS but anything that doesn’t fit the residents narrow vision of the world.

    I would love to see some Buddists move into the area and see how long it takes for the tanks to start rolling.

    21. zxc on December 12th, 2009 at 9:50 am

22. If they said that bout Becky they won’t get so much media support, so let howl, they’re day of wepting is jus around the corner. By the time the want 2 support the FLDS in their trials it WILL be to late.

    22. pins on December 12th, 2009 at 8:55 am

23. I won’t try to post at the Gosangelo site. The fact that Duane and others have tried to post there, but Gosangelo blocked their comments proves that Gosangelo is clearly biased.

    I don’t consider Gosangelo’s reporting to be credible because the newspaper permits its readers to post comments that are not true (such as Rebecca Musser was “banished”). Gosangelo should clarify that Rebecca Musser left on her own volition.

    23. cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 7:49 am

24. “They are blocking any comment that empathizes with the flds…”

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    Let them have it to themselves, duaneh. I see comments there about hanging all the men, and wanting another Waco. They’re showing the world who they are.

    24. Julie on December 12th, 2009 at 7:37 am

25. Gosanangelo is blocking comments.

    I pointed out that Rebecca Musser wasn’t “banished” and left the sect on her own and that YFZ is in Texas to stay.
    They allowed several comments after I posted but failed to allow mine.
    They are blocking any comment that empathizes with the flds, very unprofessional for a supposedly “unbiased” mainstream media organization.

    25. duaneh on December 12th, 2009 at 1:15 am

26. Go to “gosanangelo” and take the poll.

    26. Bill on December 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

27. No, she can’t do that.

    While I realize that this is her own personal jury, the Feds don’t see it that way.

    She has to declare a mistrial or see the case go down the tubes on appeal.

    She cannot Voir Dire the jury on questions of juror misconduct without the defense and prosecutor there with her.

    27. Bill on December 11th, 2009 at 5:16 pm