Free the FLDS Children - AKA The Freedom Liberty Defenders Society

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1. They make damn sure no victims come forward now. Yeah like they are looking out for the victims. Pfft! Right!

   1. Dormette on December 16th, 2009 at 5:56 am

2. This then is one of the best hallmarks of a democratic society that places a higher value on protecting the weak, infirmed and most vunerable within America.
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   Yeah you just wait until your get older and have a sick elderly person to take care of and then you will see what the state and fed does to the entire family after you have worked all your life.

   2. Dormette on December 16th, 2009 at 5:50 am

3. Bill: “The major problem the State now has is that they can’t merely show up with a rope to hang somebody…”

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   Still, you can’t stop them from wishing for the old ways. As one the KKK/KS types said on the gosanangelo site: “The FLDS family tree is full of nuts and a lot of bad apples.The best use for it now would be to hang most of the Jessop men…..get a rope!”

   3. Julie on December 12th, 2009 at 10:49 am

4. I had the same problem with GoSanAngelo as WC. I don’t try
   to post there.

   Shortly after the raid, I heard GoSanAngelo wasn’t publishing much about the FLDS. I was told that GoSanAngelo too many complaints from “Mormons.” That’s why all the Texans migrated to the SLT.

   4. cupcake on December 12th, 2009 at 12:26 am

5. I tried a post on the san angelo wiper once-it never saw the light of day.

   5. WC on December 11th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

6. Bill….we can always appreciate your good humor, our life is very active with it.
   Keep up the good work.

   6. pins on December 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

7. Poll: Can FLDS members get a fair trial in Schleicher County?
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   Maybe, if all the locals were removed out of the county.

   7. WC on December 11th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

8. Barbie adjourned the court till Monday, after hearing Rebeca Musser again. Now Walther is apparently having one-on-one’s with the juror’s. Can she do that? I mean, if she was part of a normal judicial system-could she do that?

   8. WC on December 11th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

9. Poll: Can FLDS members get a fair trial in Schleicher County?

   Thanks for your vote.
   Response Percent Votes
   No

   66% 6
   Yes

   33% 3
   No Opinion

   0% 0
   total votes: 9

   9. Bill on December 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

10. It’s understandable. Texas took a world wide beating when they took the children and abused and neglected them.

    Most folks out there today do not have a clue of what’s going on today, but they do know that Texas had to return the children, and that the taking was BS.

    The attempt now is take the PR of the trials to try to get the public (Outside of the good old boys) back to their side by showing “Child sexual abuse”.

    Naturally, this conjures up instant mental pictures of little Johnny and little Janie being raped in the Temple during full moons. (Or is it during months with an “R” in it?)

    Their problem is that they know that sites like this one generates roughly 3,600 hits a day, and this is not exactly the Barbieland Fan Club.

    If you take every single one of the anti FLDS sites and added up their daily hits, they could still not generate more hits than flds.ws standing alone.

    As for the rags in town allowing only negative posts to be made, I see that as a positive; the jury pools are being asked if they have EVER posted on a blog or site concerning the FLDS and YFZ.

    Once we get through the trials, we’ll find out how many of the good old boys perjured themselves in Voir Dire, and chop their peanuts off. :))

    I would not contest the censorship that’s going on. It’s better used to show the bigotry and persecution of the FLDS by their own actions. Let Randy the Blimp blow himself up.

    10. Bill on December 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

11. But you know what’s funny, they let the poster Hannah post comments?

    Have people read her comments? How come she hasn’t been banned?

    Highly unethical to ban pro-defense comments during the trial.

    11. * on December 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

12. They did away with me in september, Deseret news censored me months before that. It seems that if you aren’t for-em you’re against -em.

    So much for am unbiased jury pool….lol

    12. zxc on December 11th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

13. Hey,

    I would like a few people do me a favor - try postings a comment on gosanangelo which is not anti-FLDS - see if it goes through.

    They are blocking my comments but are letting vile and disgusting comments on the anti-polygamy side go through.

    I would like to see if I’m the only one.

    13. * on December 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

14. Justsayin’ Like Bills aid, it depends on who you are. Against the FLDS the law is ALWAYS enforced. The law is just the excuse the hatemongers use to attack the FLDS. To power hungry politcians like Abbot, the FLDS appear to be an easy target.

    14. THOMAS on December 10th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

15. Just in case y’all missed Lisa’s take on screwing a kid:

    OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THE RAPER ISN’T A COP:
    ssociated Press

    TYLER - Wood County sheriff Frank White will resign by the first of the year under and agreement to dismiss felony sex assault and indecency with a child charges.

    Sheriff white pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor assault charge in exchange for dismissal of two felony counts of indecency with a child and one felony count of aggravated sexual assault.

    The charges stem from incidents that allegedly occurred more than 10 years ago, said Ron Dusek, a spokesman for the attorney general’s office.

    “He pleaded guilty to the Class A misdemeanor of assault. He will be sentenced on January 3″, Mr. Dusek said. “The victim and her mother testified to the court that they were in agreement with and supported the plea bargain. They did not want to go through the ordeal of a trial.”

    The trial was scheduled to begin Monday in Canton, where it was moved on a change of venue because of publicity about the case in the East Texas town of Quitman, the seat of Wood County.Assistant Attorney General Lisa Tanner was the prosecutor. The attorney general’s office took over the case from Wood County District Attorney Marcus Taylor.

    Lisa Tanner? Is this the same Lisa Tanner who wants Allan in prison for 99 years?

    Wood County Judge Lee E. Williams said he was happy with the outcome.

    “I’m glad to get it resolved and to get on with the business of this county,” Mr. Williams said. “This had become a distraction.

    The Wood County Commissioners Court must appoint a replacement for Sheriff White. Mr. Williams said the commissioners’ next meeting is Friday, but it hasn’t been decided when a successor will be named.

    Sheriff White was first elected in 1985 and is midway through his third term. Previously, he was a Department of Public Safety trooper in Wood County.

    OK kiddies: WHILE THE DUDE WAS THE SHERIFF, he
    decided to screw a little girl.

    Lisa thinks this merits probation and a reduction to a misdemeanor. He will not even have to register as a sexual offender.

    This is why when I hear “The law is the law” I instantly reach for the shovel to haul out the bullshit.

    15. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

16. “The law is the law” in Florida too.

    Now that Tiger is known to have multiple girlfriends, Florida will no longer prosecute a man for polygamy.

    AG Bill McCullum wants the Statute removed from the books, and until it is, he will not allow the prosecution in Florida so that “We won’t loose a State treasure like Tiger Woods”

    So, which “Law” will you decide to prosecute?

    It’s “Against the law” in Texas to commit adultery.

    Seen any prosecutions for Adultery lately?

    16. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

17. Like the Texas sheriff Lisa Tanner just gave 6 month’s probation to and reduced his feloney rape of a child to a misdemeanor.

    “The law is the law” (Depending upon who you are)

    17. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

18. Thomas, the young women might not be, but the men that marry them sure as heck are breaking the law.

    18. justsayin on December 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

19. The most vile and dangerous one they were concerned about was completely harmless 37 year old women who had been used by the C.S. and driven practically crazy.

    As she found out, as Val Jessop’s family found out, as the “Lost boys” found out, the C.S. are bloodsucking users who toss you in the garbage once you are of no more use to them.

    Ask the lost boys that Dan Fisher used against the FLDS and they’ll tell you what a piece of dreck this man really is.

    In the exact same vain, CPS and the CASA dykes USED the children they were supposed to be so concerned about to get their parents and it was never about protecting them.

    How’s the high school research coming? Get any answers yet?

    You may as well do it and put the best spin possible on it, because tomorrow, I’ll tell you how many of the good old boys knocked up their daughters.

    19. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

20. The goons soon after the raid showed some real courage when they put out the APB on the FLDS enforcers. Willie’s stare down reputation preceding him, obviously.

    20. WC on December 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

21. Thomas I have stated by the signed San Angelo Grand Jury indictments that the ‘Child Brides’ are not charged with any wrongdoing? The perpetrators are the men named in the indictments and the State of Texas is the plaintiff [complainant], the accused are the defendants. Texas is pressing these charges and not the ‘Child Brides’ by way of the Grand Jury indictment, i.e. State of Texas vs. Raymond M. Jessop. Prostitution, Drug dealing and Pornography are among the so called ‘victimless’ crimes and these indictments are based upon violations of the peace and dignity of the State of Texas.

    The Attorney General Abbott has pursued this Grand Jury action and presented this indictment on behalf of the People of Texas. If you obviously disagree with this improper use of the states resources, time and money then I suggest you take it up with him. I have a feeling as a duly elected people’s attorney, sworn pledge to uphold the laws of Texas and professional acumen to preserve peace and justice that he will take exception to your assertions that more harm by prosecution than benefit from stopping lawless actions and serial crimes being committed within Texas, he’s probably already made that judgment.

    21. Jam Inn on December 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

22. Well, look at it from the goons point of view. Would you rather go and intimidate a bunch of soft spoken women and children, or would you chase after a real criminal that will shoot back at you and kick your butt?

    22. WC on December 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

23. The goons make marshmallows, the dykes sell any that are left over.

    The goons on the Ranch were there to war, not to start kindergarten classes.

    As for the report of the gunshots that one of the goons fired off to incite a riot at the Temple, the event was mentioned in barbie’s Court and reported in the San Angelo newspapers.

    In Court, the goons neither confirmed nor denied that shots were fired and barbie wasn’t interested in discussing the matter anyway.

    Had those shots NOT been made, you would have Davey and Brooksie screaming from here to Istanbul. They were as quiet as little mouses.

    A major reason Caver resigned was because of the abuse he saw at the attack, and the fact that he knew those shots could have easily triggered a slaughter that would have made Waco look like a Sunday School picnic.

    As for the goons being there to prevent another Waco, nothing could be further from the truth. The men on the Ranch were told personally by the goons leaving that they were disappointed “Nobody had any balls”.

    You look at these cops and see hero’s. I look at them and see gutless cowards.

    23. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

24. Jam, You appear tp be remarkably thick-skulled. Prostitutes and drug addicts are breaking the law. These young women are not. If more harm than good is inflicted by prosecuting. than reasonable people do not prosecute.

    24. THOMAS on December 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

25. Yeah, well Thomas drug addicts, prostitutes and underage porn models don’t file complaints, either. Even though sexually transmitted sexual diseases, AIDS and untaxed blackmarket funds futher corrupts and threatens everyones security and health safety.

    Bill I believe ir immoral to say the ends justify the means and everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and ignoring the rule of law is your corrosive thread of faulty reasoning and not mine or the majority of law abiding citizens. Texas Ranger Lt. Brooks Long testified on both the first and the second search warrants that Bishop F. Merril Jessop had stated that there was about 150+/- residents after the 1st warrant was served then the good bishop stated a correction of 250+/- residents were present when the 2nd warrant was served, ultimately the total population at the YFZ Ranch was estimated to be 550+ in residence. There seems to have been a false set of facts here but thankfully no one was harmed although two arrests were made. So where did all of these folks come from anyway? Oh, and no legitimate Press report has stated than any shots were fired upon the ranch, not even the snipers. Only reports of shots having been fired are claims made by FLDS members and none by any Press agency or reporter.

    Bill, marshmellows? Really, I thought your claim is the CPS/CASA wants them for the orphan resale on the ‘Gentile’ market?

    25. Jam Inn on December 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

26. Pedophilia is defined as sexual attraction to pre-pubuscent children not a post adolescent minor. The way the term “pedophilia” is being tossed around nowadays-the word has become meaningless.
    The FLDS folks could have gone to the county clerk, easily obtained a marriage license for brides as young as 14 years pre 2005, 16 years post 2005, and as if by magic…they would no longer be “pedophiles”.
    The FLDS is being vilified as a “sinister criminal organization” for acts that are legal in most of the world and for that matter…most of the United States.
    As far as the “henious” crime of polygamy, what about “polyamory”? Polyamory is the practice of having multiple “husbands” or “wives” in a secular context…many even have wedding “ceremonies”. However, no one is clamoring to have polys rounded up and arrested. The only difference between the two is that polygamy is within the context of a religious belief. It seems that making an act a crime solely on the basis of whether it was religiously motivated or not is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment.

    At the time SCOTUS ruled against polygamy in the Reynolds case in 1879, laws forbidding adultery, fornication, and homosexuality were illegal in most jurisdictions and actively enforced so of course banning polygamy during this time period seemed to most people to be a natural extension to crimes against “morality”.

    Nowadays, it is understood the government has no right to interfere in the private lives of its citizens. Because of this obvious distinction between the two periods, I can’t see how laws against “polygamists” who don’t seek or even desire legal recognition, can hold up on appeal.

    26. duaneh1 on December 10th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

27. Boiled down, you are saying “The end justify’s the means”.

    Break any law, commit any crime, violate any Constitutional right or due process laws, just as long as you get your man.

    Why play that silly game?

    Just find some silly ass excuse and turn the children into marsh mellows like they did in Waco.

    If that clown of a sheriff had a mole inside like he stated he did, why would he NOT KNOW there were over 800 people on that Ranch and not 125?

    I looked at that sniper in the rocks. He didn’t look to me like he was all that concerned about the 550 women and children he was pointing that gun at.

    You simply can’t “Restore” something you never had in the first place. How’s your research into the little girls with fat bellies coming along?

    27. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

28. Jaminn One more time, There are no complaining victims.

    28. THOMAS on December 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

29. The ‘peace and dignity’ sighted on the indictment is in reference to the condition prior to the indictment act(s) charged. In otherwards a return to the people’s self-respect and calm that existed before the felony crimes alleged to have occurred. Pedophilia is a crime by a sole adult perpetrated against a child which Texas defines as being of the age of 16years or younger, unchanged in the Texas civil codes for decades. You may choose to harp away on the YFZ Ranch Raid/Removal but I would simply ask which Offense occurred first, namely the ‘Child Bride’ plural marriages or the Raid/Removal?

    The ‘Child Bride’ weddings triggered the Texas Ranger, CPS and CASA action(s) and not the converse. Grand Jury indictments have set the priority on the initial acts of crime and not on any supposed consequent crimes. To date no lawsuits are filed and the gamut of pending trials portends the greater likelihood that given multiple convictions and no unsuccessful appeals that counter legal claims will never materialize. Lastly, the ‘worse case scenario’ for tactical planning for Texas is based upon the Waco model. Why because in the past 50 years this is the worse crime compound fiasco on record. So planners for the YFZ Ranch were forced to plan for a plan that had to presume that another Waco was possible and plan accordingly. Sheriff Doran’s own admissions immediately post YFZ Ranch was his stating that too few enforcement personnel, buses, ambulances were present owing to the mistaken belief that only 125+ persons were resident upon the ranch. So the goof was in too few and not too many.

    Teen pregnancy and premarital sex in our society is at epidemic proportions but that doesn’t condone or justify pedophilia or underage celestial marriages. Two wrongs are equally both wrong and millions of dollars are spent in Texas to combat and pay for these deviant behaviors. The existence of this societal problem is not a rationalization for it to be legalized nor not combated by LE.

    Blaming Texas for a crime wave that originated from Utah and Arizona is yet another foible in your unfounded logic on crime prevention within your decidedly minority views.

    29. Jam Inn on December 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

30. No wonder the Texans hate you so much, Bill. You have the balls to call it as you see it.

    They hate me too, and I don’t give a damn.

    30. Cupcake on December 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

31. And if Texas applied “The law” equally to all it’s citizens, we would not be here today.

    Let’s keep in mind, the Texas Supreme Court said that Texas had to return the children to their homes because they were not taken “Legally”.

    If they weren’t taken “Legally” Then they were taken “Illegally”.

    Who do we arrest for breaking “The law”? That “Sheriff” in Eldorado who lied his ass off about having an “Inside informant” on the Ranch? CPS and CASA for looking through books and records instead of “Saving” “Sarah”. How about the sexual assaults of the girls and boys at the First Baptist Church in Eldorado when they conducted SANE exams on both Boys AND girls with the blessings of the Congregation, but sans a legal warrant?

    Is Texas interested in prosecuting the negress who started this 50 million dollar “Party” so that the local DA could play her “Game” ?

    Ask Lisa Tanner who many months PROBATION she authorized for the raping Texas sheriff a few months back. According to Lisa, the girl didn’t want the man prosecuted. Gee, that sounds mighty familiar to me. Do you suppose that she’ll quietly sit back and recommend Raymond or any of the other FLDS men get probation and bargain the charge down to a misdemeanor?

    “The law is the law” is a cruel joke played on those who actually believe it. Count me out, I know better.

    31. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

32. Since this is a rational, thought out post, I will allow it.

    I don’t agree with it, but since you had the good sense not to post the usual raging garbage, you have a voice.

    As for “The Peace and Dignity of Texas”, that’s an oxymoron. A “Peaceful State does not attack women and children with goons, snipers, machine guns, helicopters and tanks.

    There’s nothing “Dignified” about kidnapping children and putting them through SANE exams purely for the prurient sexual gratification of CPS and CASA dykes.

    As I have said, the trials of these men is nothing more than persecution. Both women so far were married previously to men and had children by them before marrying either Raymond or Allan. When were the first two men indicted for their “Crimes”? Why does the “Peace and Dignity” of Texas only get ruffled when it comes from an FLDS member of the Ranch?

    Selective prosecution may be the way Texas has chosen to go, but as far as its “Peace and Dignity” is concerned, the good old boys trampled that BS into the dust a long time ago. Texas doesn’t LEAD the Nation in underage pregnancies because the good old boys stick to their morals. If 8 year olds could give birth, we both know that you would lead in that age group as well.

    You have done your research, but you only look in one direction; do some research and look into the middle and high schools of Eldorado and San Angelo.
    How many girls, ages 11 to 18 are pregnant, have had children, or have been raped in the past year?

    How about calling them and asking them if they have programs available for students with children, or students that are pregnant?

    The fact of the matter is that these girls marry young. Their mothers married young, their grandmothers married young, and their great grandmothers married young.

    Texas can put all the FLDS men in jail that they want to, but it isn’t going to change the fact that the children of these women today will someday marry young. They will also have a much clearer understanding of why their parents wanted to protect them from the “Peace and Dignity” of the outside world. Texas is a sewer and the laughing stock of the Country. When most people outside of that State hear the name, they merely shake their heads. It’s a freak show, and for the life of me I will NEVER understand why the FLDS even considered it as a place to raise their children.

    If there’s a fund out there to contribute to to allow Texas to Sesceed from the Union, please let me know and I’ll send them a check today.

    The bottom line is that Texas is persecuting these men for their religious beliefs. They ILLEGALLY (Texas Supreme Court) kidnapped these men’s children in order to railroad them into prison and had no problem whatsoever in heaping Medical, Psychological, Physical, Emotional, Sexual abuse and Neglect against their children and their mothers in an effort to rid the Mormons from their State. That was the stated goal from the very beginning, even by the hairball in Austin.

    32. Bill on December 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

33. Thomas prostitutes don’t consider their ‘Johns’ to be sexual deviants and don’t dee themselves as victims, either. Drug dealers say they only provide a service and the addicts purchase of their own free will. Many pornography minor models are well paid for their sessions by pornography photographers and they don’t feel victimized, too. All these acts violate existing Law & Order in a free society that chooses to enforce limits upon treatment of the sick, aged and vunerable, like women, children and addicts. This then is one of the best hallmarks of a democratic society that places a higher value on protecting the weak, infirmed and most vunerable within America.

    Exploitation for money, creed or just deviant adult pleasure should be legally enforced to the full letter of our laws.

    33. Jam Inn on December 10th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

34. I believe Marilyn’s ages are 15 and 16 repspictively. Marilyn is a party and she does not consider herself to be a victim.

    34. THOMAS on December 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

35. Bill this case was brought by the State of Texas through a Grand Jury indictment. Merilyn Barlow Jeffs Keate isn’t involved as a party named to this charge but the basis is upon the ‘peace and dignity’ of the State of Texas. Many victimless crimes are brought for felony(s), including prostitution, drug dealing and illegal pornography. Is it true that Allan Keate is her second priesthood husband and Keate’s child by her is her second child after Leroy Jeffs first child? Merilyn was married at 14 years of age and had LeRoy’s child at 15 years of age.

    35. Jam Inn on December 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am