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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/28/the-dog-whisperer-now-wants-to-control-the-az-ag/#comment-66888</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Alyssa Bustamante

Bill makes an interesting point that CPS and CASA were probably involved in this girl's life. That is something that I hadn't considered. I assumed that Alyssa went from her parents' care (in California) to her grandmother's care (in Missouri.) But I'll bet Bill is right. She may have been in CPS's custody before she went to live with her grandmother. (God only knows what she may have learned in foster care.)

Personally, I think Alyssa in mentally ill. She appears to be fascinated with cutting herself (and stabbing other people.) I'm sure some people think her fascination with cutting is related her father's conviction for a stabbing assault. But I suspect that she has borderline personality disorder, which may be caused by abuse.

What is society supposed to do with these children who are so damaged that they are a danger to themselves and to other children?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Alyssa Bustamante</p>
<p>Bill makes an interesting point that CPS and CASA were probably involved in this girl&#8217;s life. That is something that I hadn&#8217;t considered. I assumed that Alyssa went from her parents&#8217; care (in California) to her grandmother&#8217;s care (in Missouri.) But I&#8217;ll bet Bill is right. She may have been in CPS&#8217;s custody before she went to live with her grandmother. (God only knows what she may have learned in foster care.)</p>
<p>Personally, I think Alyssa in mentally ill. She appears to be fascinated with cutting herself (and stabbing other people.) I&#8217;m sure some people think her fascination with cutting is related her father&#8217;s conviction for a stabbing assault. But I suspect that she has borderline personality disorder, which may be caused by abuse.</p>
<p>What is society supposed to do with these children who are so damaged that they are a danger to themselves and to other children?</p>
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		<title>By: THOMAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>THOMAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two of Warren's brothers were supposed to be accomplices. One of the brothers convinced Utah investigators that he was in Nevada at the time. This was proabably why Warren was never chargesd with molesting Brent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of Warren&#8217;s brothers were supposed to be accomplices. One of the brothers convinced Utah investigators that he was in Nevada at the time. This was proabably why Warren was never chargesd with molesting Brent.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/28/the-dog-whisperer-now-wants-to-control-the-az-ag/#comment-66869</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alinusara:

The KS often ask who molested Brent Jeffs. They are totally convinced that Warren Jeffs did.

I'm not so sure. Is there any physical evidence that Brent really was molested? It seems to me that the only evidence the KS have are Brent's accusations. 

Both the AMA and the APA have policies that state that recessed memories should not be assumed to be true. In fact, California passed a law limiting the statue of limitations that an adult can take action against another for childhood sexual abuse to protect innocent people from those claiming to have recessed memories. (Innocent parents were being blackmailed by their adult children 
claiming to have recessed memories of childhood sexual abuse.)

Part of the reason why I think "answer them nothing" doesn't work is because many people assume that if you don't defend yourself, you must be guilty. I think that if Warren Jeffs had gone to court to defend himself from Brent's accusations, it is possible that Warren would have won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinusara:</p>
<p>The KS often ask who molested Brent Jeffs. They are totally convinced that Warren Jeffs did.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure. Is there any physical evidence that Brent really was molested? It seems to me that the only evidence the KS have are Brent&#8217;s accusations. </p>
<p>Both the AMA and the APA have policies that state that recessed memories should not be assumed to be true. In fact, California passed a law limiting the statue of limitations that an adult can take action against another for childhood sexual abuse to protect innocent people from those claiming to have recessed memories. (Innocent parents were being blackmailed by their adult children<br />
claiming to have recessed memories of childhood sexual abuse.)</p>
<p>Part of the reason why I think &#8220;answer them nothing&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work is because many people assume that if you don&#8217;t defend yourself, you must be guilty. I think that if Warren Jeffs had gone to court to defend himself from Brent&#8217;s accusations, it is possible that Warren would have won.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about the case of the 15 year old, but have not really followed it. Most of the time, you can read between the lines and figure out what really happened.

I would put money on the fact that CPS and CASA were up to their eyeballs in the girls life, as well as her siblings.

From what it looks like, the parents were dirt bags, but not even that can be determined to a fact since LE was spewing it's tale. 

What exactly did the father do that landed him in prison. "Drugs" can mean anything from a joint to 10 pounds of meth. There's a slight difference between the two.

Mommy was also a "Druggie". So rather than spend a little money monitoring her, getting her straight, giving her support, etc, etc, you yank all of her children at probably 10 times the cost?

How old was the girl when she was yanked? Children as a general rule do not like being torn away from their family. How long was she and her siblings in foster care before grandma finally got custody? More importantly, what did she "Learn" in foster care?
(Obvious question).

The bottom line here is that CPS and CASA declared this girl "Cured" of her problems, and sent her skipping off. As a general rule, 13 year olds don't try to kill themselves, and when they do, whether it's for attention or a serious attempt, it raises red flags.

Possibly one day the public will realize that there are consequances 
to ripping family's apart rather than trying to keep them together. CPS and CASA think that the child is completely un-affected by their intervention. The 9 year old and her family found out differently.

If the 9 year old was my daughter, I would want to make sure the 15 year old did not have access to another child again. EVER.

I would also want her social worker, her social workers supervisor, her psychologist, the judge and the hospital Administrator who released her sitting alongside the girl for making her who she became.

The knee jerk reaction of the system however will be to remove the remaining siblings from the grandmother. Now they can all compound the abuse and neglect inflicted upon their sister "In their best interest" of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about the case of the 15 year old, but have not really followed it. Most of the time, you can read between the lines and figure out what really happened.</p>
<p>I would put money on the fact that CPS and CASA were up to their eyeballs in the girls life, as well as her siblings.</p>
<p>From what it looks like, the parents were dirt bags, but not even that can be determined to a fact since LE was spewing it&#8217;s tale. </p>
<p>What exactly did the father do that landed him in prison. &#8220;Drugs&#8221; can mean anything from a joint to 10 pounds of meth. There&#8217;s a slight difference between the two.</p>
<p>Mommy was also a &#8220;Druggie&#8221;. So rather than spend a little money monitoring her, getting her straight, giving her support, etc, etc, you yank all of her children at probably 10 times the cost?</p>
<p>How old was the girl when she was yanked? Children as a general rule do not like being torn away from their family. How long was she and her siblings in foster care before grandma finally got custody? More importantly, what did she &#8220;Learn&#8221; in foster care?<br />
(Obvious question).</p>
<p>The bottom line here is that CPS and CASA declared this girl &#8220;Cured&#8221; of her problems, and sent her skipping off. As a general rule, 13 year olds don&#8217;t try to kill themselves, and when they do, whether it&#8217;s for attention or a serious attempt, it raises red flags.</p>
<p>Possibly one day the public will realize that there are consequances<br />
to ripping family&#8217;s apart rather than trying to keep them together. CPS and CASA think that the child is completely un-affected by their intervention. The 9 year old and her family found out differently.</p>
<p>If the 9 year old was my daughter, I would want to make sure the 15 year old did not have access to another child again. EVER.</p>
<p>I would also want her social worker, her social workers supervisor, her psychologist, the judge and the hospital Administrator who released her sitting alongside the girl for making her who she became.</p>
<p>The knee jerk reaction of the system however will be to remove the remaining siblings from the grandmother. Now they can all compound the abuse and neglect inflicted upon their sister &#8220;In their best interest&#8221; of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Alinusara10</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alinusara10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FLDS policy, “Answer them nothing,” isn’t working. Sooner or later, the FLDS are going to have stand up for themselves.
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Heh!  Every time they bring into question credibility of someone who tries to tear them down the KS folks start bawling about smear tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FLDS policy, “Answer them nothing,” isn’t working. Sooner or later, the FLDS are going to have stand up for themselves.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Heh!  Every time they bring into question credibility of someone who tries to tear them down the KS folks start bawling about smear tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/28/the-dog-whisperer-now-wants-to-control-the-az-ag/#comment-66826</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the cops would have you believe is that they are sitting on evidence of the men's guilt, and it will all come out at that time.

That is too stupid to beleive. If they had some dead guys family, or if they had a handfull of jars with little notes in them, or, even better, if they had a kids parents who are now claiming their child "Disappeared" for a few years while being molested by these men, THEN you can bet your bottom dollar they would have paraded the evidence in front of the media so that they could beat their chest's.

A few years back, this same exact Sheriff got slammed in the media for waving goodbye to two suspects in a murder case while he waited for a seach warrent to get into their house.

Today, he's a little gun shy and arrest's first and ask's questions later.

I would trade places with anyone of those men accussed in this case. They are going to be multi millionare's over this, I would bet anybody who wants to, $1,000.00 on that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the cops would have you believe is that they are sitting on evidence of the men&#8217;s guilt, and it will all come out at that time.</p>
<p>That is too stupid to beleive. If they had some dead guys family, or if they had a handfull of jars with little notes in them, or, even better, if they had a kids parents who are now claiming their child &#8220;Disappeared&#8221; for a few years while being molested by these men, THEN you can bet your bottom dollar they would have paraded the evidence in front of the media so that they could beat their chest&#8217;s.</p>
<p>A few years back, this same exact Sheriff got slammed in the media for waving goodbye to two suspects in a murder case while he waited for a seach warrent to get into their house.</p>
<p>Today, he&#8217;s a little gun shy and arrest&#8217;s first and ask&#8217;s questions later.</p>
<p>I would trade places with anyone of those men accussed in this case. They are going to be multi millionare&#8217;s over this, I would bet anybody who wants to, $1,000.00 on that fact.</p>
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		<title>By: MV</title>
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		<dc:creator>MV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was stated in the newspaper Darrell Mohler had lived in Florida since 1984. Well before the time these crimes supposedly happened.
I doubt he traveled to MO. to participate.
I agree with "Cupcake." They are holding these men because they have been accused of a crime. No proof that I have seen as yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was stated in the newspaper Darrell Mohler had lived in Florida since 1984. Well before the time these crimes supposedly happened.<br />
I doubt he traveled to MO. to participate.<br />
I agree with &#8220;Cupcake.&#8221; They are holding these men because they have been accused of a crime. No proof that I have seen as yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am troubled by the fact that all the Mohler men remain in jail while LE are investigating the alleged victims' claims.

I am disturbed by the fact that Darrell Mohler, the man from Florida, is in jail. It seems like that only evidence that LE has against him is the alleged victims' statements. Darrell Mohler is 72 years old, a veteran of our armed forces and has lived in Florida for many years. He says he was not close to Burrell Mohler Sr. or his nephews. 

Darrell Mohler's health could be compromised in jail. I think the authorities in Florida should release him until LE have more concrete evidence that he was involved in the alleged crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am troubled by the fact that all the Mohler men remain in jail while LE are investigating the alleged victims&#8217; claims.</p>
<p>I am disturbed by the fact that Darrell Mohler, the man from Florida, is in jail. It seems like that only evidence that LE has against him is the alleged victims&#8217; statements. Darrell Mohler is 72 years old, a veteran of our armed forces and has lived in Florida for many years. He says he was not close to Burrell Mohler Sr. or his nephews. </p>
<p>Darrell Mohler&#8217;s health could be compromised in jail. I think the authorities in Florida should release him until LE have more concrete evidence that he was involved in the alleged crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: duaneh</title>
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		<dc:creator>duaneh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing the Mohlers had the foresight to anticipate LE would be using metal detectors to search for buried bodies at some point in the future AND that the children who participated in the murders would completely forget where the victims were buried. 
Sounds like the "victims" are making after the fact revisions to their stories to explain the minor issue of "no evidence" and LE is completely retarded for swallowing it.

Radar and/or sonar imaging doesn't depend on metal. Maybe they should try that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing the Mohlers had the foresight to anticipate LE would be using metal detectors to search for buried bodies at some point in the future AND that the children who participated in the murders would completely forget where the victims were buried.<br />
Sounds like the &#8220;victims&#8221; are making after the fact revisions to their stories to explain the minor issue of &#8220;no evidence&#8221; and LE is completely retarded for swallowing it.</p>
<p>Radar and/or sonar imaging doesn&#8217;t depend on metal. Maybe they should try that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the Mohler case. I read in the Kansas City Star several days ago that LE was looking for jewelry that the alleged victim claimed the Mohlers had removed from a murder victim's body. The alleged victim said the Mohlers took the jewelry off the murder victim so that LE wouldn't be able to locate the body using metal detectors.

The Mohler case seems to be based upon Burrell Mohler Jr's ex-wife's suspicions that her children were being sexually abused by her in-laws.

Here's my question? Why didn't Jr's wife call the police back in the 80's? If I thought my children were being sexually abused, I wouldn't go to my bishop. I would call the police immediately. 

Waiting twenty years to report it to the police will be hard to prove or disprove whether the sexual abuse occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the Mohler case. I read in the Kansas City Star several days ago that LE was looking for jewelry that the alleged victim claimed the Mohlers had removed from a murder victim&#8217;s body. The alleged victim said the Mohlers took the jewelry off the murder victim so that LE wouldn&#8217;t be able to locate the body using metal detectors.</p>
<p>The Mohler case seems to be based upon Burrell Mohler Jr&#8217;s ex-wife&#8217;s suspicions that her children were being sexually abused by her in-laws.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my question? Why didn&#8217;t Jr&#8217;s wife call the police back in the 80&#8217;s? If I thought my children were being sexually abused, I wouldn&#8217;t go to my bishop. I would call the police immediately. </p>
<p>Waiting twenty years to report it to the police will be hard to prove or disprove whether the sexual abuse occurred.</p>
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