Comments on: THIS COMES FROM A VERY WISE AND DEAR FRIEND. http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/ Defending Due Process, Religious Liberty, Human Rights, Constitutional Rights, and Freedom for the FLDS Community and All Of Us! Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:41:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: zxcvbnm http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63229 zxcvbnm Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:25:41 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63229 The stacking of a jury can be accomplished by positioning jurors in the correct position and outside of defense "strikes". It is done all the time in Texas. Every juror completes a questionaire before the prospective jurors are seated and each side can eliminate a predetermined number of unwanted persons without question.............after the defense runs out of "strikes" just be sure to have acceptable jurors to the prosecution. Darned if the FLDS prospective jurors were never seated in a position to get on the jury. So simple and the Texas AGs' office is good at stacking the deck. The stacking of a jury can be accomplished by positioning jurors in the correct position and outside of defense “strikes”. It is done all the time in Texas. Every juror completes a questionaire before the prospective jurors are seated and each side can eliminate a predetermined number of unwanted persons without question………….after the defense runs out of “strikes” just be sure to have acceptable jurors to the prosecution.

Darned if the FLDS prospective jurors were never seated in a position to get on the jury.

So simple and the Texas AGs’ office is good at stacking the deck.

]]> By: Bill http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63180 Bill Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:59:05 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63180 Duane, $44,000.00 (And counting) can bribe the best of folks. Besides, he doesn't have to buy malpractice insurance no matter how ridiculous his conclusions are. Duane,

$44,000.00 (And counting) can bribe the best of folks.

Besides, he doesn’t have to buy malpractice insurance no matter how ridiculous his conclusions are.

]]> By: Amazed http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63179 Amazed Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:58:37 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63179 Ron, I have to tell you that it is very refreshing to hear some one with an opposing view who does not resort to name calling, vulgarity, etc. Though I may disagree with you, and very strongly, I respect your civility, and your ability to discuss your difference in opinion in a decent way. Ron, I have to tell you that it is very refreshing to hear some one with an opposing view who does not resort to name calling, vulgarity, etc.
Though I may disagree with you, and very strongly, I respect your civility, and your ability to discuss your difference in opinion in a decent way.

]]> By: Bill http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63177 Bill Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:55:39 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63177 No Maayan, You were right the first time. barbie stacked the jury with FLDS haters. The Court knows each and every juror, and how they voted in past cases. You can bet your bottom dollar that the "Choices" the defense had was one "Hang em" Juror to another after another. Jurors that vote to acquit are never invited back. That's a fact! In Texas, I wouldn't doubt that barbie sat down with these jurors of some drinks to discuss the case. (Except the Hispanics, of course). Texass, it's a whole nuther Country! Yeah, Nazi Germany for instance. No Maayan,

You were right the first time. barbie stacked the jury with FLDS haters.

The Court knows each and every juror, and how they voted in past cases. You can bet your bottom dollar that the “Choices” the defense had was one “Hang em” Juror to another after another.

Jurors that vote to acquit are never invited back. That’s a fact! In Texas, I wouldn’t doubt that barbie sat down with these jurors of some drinks to discuss the case. (Except the Hispanics, of course).

Texass, it’s a whole nuther Country! Yeah, Nazi Germany for instance.

]]> By: duane http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63176 duane Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:51:11 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63176 <i>Beall said he avoided reading others research on polygamous communities because "I didn't want my perspective to be affected," and didn't balance his work with interviews from people still in the sect because it would be "tainted data. I wasn't interested in it." </i> So if a polygamist says they are happy it is "tainted data" and should be discarded? This Dr. Beall didn't want any data challenging his bigoted opinions. Beall said he avoided reading others research on polygamous communities because “I didn’t want my perspective to be affected,” and didn’t balance his work with interviews from people still in the sect because it would be “tainted data. I wasn’t interested in it.”

So if a polygamist says they are happy it is “tainted data” and should be discarded? This Dr. Beall didn’t want any data challenging his bigoted opinions.

]]> By: Maayan http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63174 Maayan Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:36 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63174 ok, they are not flds haters, sorry, i wrote it bad, but a jury cant do its job if they only bring carolyn jessop and company, including the dr whateveer to talk and not woman and others from flds!! ok, they are not flds haters, sorry, i wrote it bad, but a jury cant do its job if they only bring carolyn jessop and company, including the dr whateveer to talk and not woman and others from flds!!

]]> By: THOMAS http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63166 THOMAS Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:46:56 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63166 Ron, the plain fact of the matter is that there was no complaining victim. Because of this, it van be inferred that the reason for this prosecutuion was religious persecution. That joke called Larry Beal said Janet Jeffs would be traumatized by her experience without ever having examined Janet Jeffs. Ron, the plain fact of the matter is that there was no complaining victim. Because of this, it van be inferred that the reason for this prosecutuion was religious persecution. That joke called Larry Beal said Janet Jeffs would be traumatized by her experience without ever having examined Janet Jeffs.

]]> By: Ron in Houston http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63161 Ron in Houston Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:04:29 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63161 <i>they put in the jury FLDS haters</i> Unless you claim that the entire jury pool consisted of FLDS haters who were bound and determined to hide this, then there is no way that is true. People are chosen at random. They are quizzed extensively about their beliefs. Raymond had one of the best lawyers in the state who is skilled at getting any "FLDS haters" off the jury. Does this mean that there were no folks on the jury with secret agendas? Obviously you can't rule that out. However, a jury of 12 "FLDS haters" is also highly unlikely. they put in the jury FLDS haters

Unless you claim that the entire jury pool consisted of FLDS haters who were bound and determined to hide this, then there is no way that is true.

People are chosen at random. They are quizzed extensively about their beliefs. Raymond had one of the best lawyers in the state who is skilled at getting any “FLDS haters” off the jury.

Does this mean that there were no folks on the jury with secret agendas? Obviously you can’t rule that out. However, a jury of 12 “FLDS haters” is also highly unlikely.

]]> By: kbp http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63155 kbp Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:18:41 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63155 Brooke: <I>"Obviously some offenders were charged with ...a higher level offense (first-degree) to come up with that 22.2 year average since that is more than the applicable penalty in Jessop’s case."</i> My reading of Brooke's post was that she pointed out the data Texas provided her was not relevant to Raymond's case. I have little doubt that the objective of the state could have been to BS her. Brooke:
“Obviously some offenders were charged with …a higher level offense (first-degree) to come up with that 22.2 year average since that is more than the applicable penalty in Jessop’s case.”

My reading of Brooke’s post was that she pointed out the data Texas provided her was not relevant to Raymond’s case. I have little doubt that the objective of the state could have been to BS her.

]]> By: Alinusara10 http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/10/this-comes-from-a-very-wise-and-dear-friend/#comment-63154 Alinusara10 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:10:05 +0000 http://www.flds.ws/?p=1566#comment-63154 As for an adolescent girl, her maturity is frozen, tied up in an avalanche of emotion, Beall told jurors. Instead of using the logical and reasoning parts of her brain to make decisions, the emotional parts of her brain come into play in a misfire that interferes with her development. She would respond emotionally to events and would not develop good decision-making skills, as well as have difficulty coping with life compared to adolescents who had not been assaulted. ============================================= Dr. Beall is a kook. He just told the world that a rape victim can never be trusted in positions of authority. As for an adolescent girl, her maturity is frozen, tied up in an avalanche of emotion, Beall told jurors. Instead of using the logical and reasoning parts of her brain to make decisions, the emotional parts of her brain come into play in a misfire that interferes with her development. She would respond emotionally to events and would not develop good decision-making skills, as well as have difficulty coping with life compared to adolescents who had not been assaulted.
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Dr. Beall is a kook. He just told the world that a rape victim can never be trusted in positions of authority.

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