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		<title>By: stephen smith</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-66899</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have unwavering faith that the FLDS and me met at this time, at this place for a reason. The irony in all this is that I am not a very religeous sort but feel impassioned to help the FLDS because of my staunch belief in the freedom of religion. For the life of me, I cannot find a Bible that states Jesus advocated using machine guns, tanks and prisons to change the minds of others. I do recall him saying to love your enemies, love God and do unto others as you would have them do unto yoiu. Did he mean it or not? For those interested, I have a published book, RANTINGS OF AN INSOMNIAC, OR I WISH JESUS HADN'T SAID THAT, available at Amazon.com or Barnes and Nobel.com that clarifies most of my feelings surrounding this egregious, horrible event.
Godspeed,
Stephen Smith, M.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have unwavering faith that the FLDS and me met at this time, at this place for a reason. The irony in all this is that I am not a very religeous sort but feel impassioned to help the FLDS because of my staunch belief in the freedom of religion. For the life of me, I cannot find a Bible that states Jesus advocated using machine guns, tanks and prisons to change the minds of others. I do recall him saying to love your enemies, love God and do unto others as you would have them do unto yoiu. Did he mean it or not? For those interested, I have a published book, RANTINGS OF AN INSOMNIAC, OR I WISH JESUS HADN&#8217;T SAID THAT, available at Amazon.com or Barnes and Nobel.com that clarifies most of my feelings surrounding this egregious, horrible event.<br />
Godspeed,<br />
Stephen Smith, M.D.</p>
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		<title>By: kbp</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63142</link>
		<dc:creator>kbp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron:
&lt;I&gt;"It’s just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God’s plan is."&lt;/I&gt;

The record is present in the comments below.  

Your comment, which qualified your theory with "maybe", initiated discussion on what "GOD's plan" could be.  

I simply pointed out the theory would be so hypocritical that it was ridiculous.

You'd have to point out what comment shows either of us claimed &lt;I&gt;"to know what God’s plan is."&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron:<br />
<i>&#8220;It’s just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God’s plan is.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The record is present in the comments below.  </p>
<p>Your comment, which qualified your theory with &#8220;maybe&#8221;, initiated discussion on what &#8220;GOD&#8217;s plan&#8221; could be.  </p>
<p>I simply pointed out the theory would be so hypocritical that it was ridiculous.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to point out what comment shows either of us claimed <i>&#8220;to know what God’s plan is.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You’re the one that brought up the theory that maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan, not I...  I had only pointed out how ridiculous your “maybe” theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD’s work for him!.&lt;/i&gt;

My theory is no more ridiculous than yours.  It's just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God's plan is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You’re the one that brought up the theory that maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan, not I&#8230;  I had only pointed out how ridiculous your “maybe” theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD’s work for him!.</i></p>
<p>My theory is no more ridiculous than yours.  It&#8217;s just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God&#8217;s plan is.</p>
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		<title>By: *</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63115</link>
		<dc:creator>*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons why I have become semi-obsessed with this case is it touches on so many core issues in my life but yet in a way so totally different, it allows me the opportunity to analyze my life objectively.

I (think) this life is a lesson/test for people.  I had a lot of injustice in my life - so has my mother.  My developmentally disabled brother was horribly abused in State care (During the time when the State forced parents to relinquish custody to receive help).

I have seen corrupt judge and lawyers get away with crimes – prosper and be considered upstanding citizens .  I have seen the few who were caught get slaps on the wrists or dodge the charge totally – and then reappear in my life 20 years later.  (So I predict Walthers and those corrupt LE will do this to others.)

So injustice might be planned to teach us? Even this doesn't make sense though because I think this made me a better person but I think it had the opposite effect on my sister.

I don’t understand why, if there is a God, knowledge just isn’t given to us and the suffering skipped?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons why I have become semi-obsessed with this case is it touches on so many core issues in my life but yet in a way so totally different, it allows me the opportunity to analyze my life objectively.</p>
<p>I (think) this life is a lesson/test for people.  I had a lot of injustice in my life - so has my mother.  My developmentally disabled brother was horribly abused in State care (During the time when the State forced parents to relinquish custody to receive help).</p>
<p>I have seen corrupt judge and lawyers get away with crimes – prosper and be considered upstanding citizens .  I have seen the few who were caught get slaps on the wrists or dodge the charge totally – and then reappear in my life 20 years later.  (So I predict Walthers and those corrupt LE will do this to others.)</p>
<p>So injustice might be planned to teach us? Even this doesn&#8217;t make sense though because I think this made me a better person but I think it had the opposite effect on my sister.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why, if there is a God, knowledge just isn’t given to us and the suffering skipped?</p>
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		<title>By: pins</title>
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		<dc:creator>pins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope fall of Reynolds will forgive me for thuging this of his site, but thought it was perfect and sweet, humbling to read! May heavenly father bless you for your goodness! 




Dear Heavenly Father,Please forgive me for my weaknesses and impatience (and dry wit). Please bless me to be as faithful to my religion as the FLDS are to theirs. Please bless our country at this time when the Constitution hangs by a thread (and Barack Hussein Obama is fixin' to snip it). Please bless all the FLDS defendants who are being accused of pedophilia and sexual molestation for simply marrying as did 99% of our pioneer ancestors. Bless the government to have a teensy-weensy little bit of forgiveness, since all the Fundamentalist Mormon communities have now pledged to refrain from all marriage age violations (even though the statutes keep changing for political reasons).Please bless Raymond's family-members (and all his children, too). Bless the jury to not be infected by the bitter acrimony of the anti-polygamy crusaders. Bless them to see Raymond for the honorable father he is, and to see that his religion was his reason for structuring his family in the way he did, and that his loyalty to his imprisoned prophet is a sound assurance that he will not fall afoul of the law again. Prompt the hearts and minds of the sincere jurors to sentence him to probation, so that no more children will have to be wrenched from their father. Bless all those who war against the FLDS; soften their hearts so that there can be peace and no more hostility.Last of all, please inspire the Texas Appeals Courts to be as wise and courageous as they were last year, and overturn the epic travesty which was the unlawful search of the YFZ Ranch.In the name of Jesus Christ,Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope fall of Reynolds will forgive me for thuging this of his site, but thought it was perfect and sweet, humbling to read! May heavenly father bless you for your goodness! </p>
<p>Dear Heavenly Father,Please forgive me for my weaknesses and impatience (and dry wit). Please bless me to be as faithful to my religion as the FLDS are to theirs. Please bless our country at this time when the Constitution hangs by a thread (and Barack Hussein Obama is fixin&#8217; to snip it). Please bless all the FLDS defendants who are being accused of pedophilia and sexual molestation for simply marrying as did 99% of our pioneer ancestors. Bless the government to have a teensy-weensy little bit of forgiveness, since all the Fundamentalist Mormon communities have now pledged to refrain from all marriage age violations (even though the statutes keep changing for political reasons).Please bless Raymond&#8217;s family-members (and all his children, too). Bless the jury to not be infected by the bitter acrimony of the anti-polygamy crusaders. Bless them to see Raymond for the honorable father he is, and to see that his religion was his reason for structuring his family in the way he did, and that his loyalty to his imprisoned prophet is a sound assurance that he will not fall afoul of the law again. Prompt the hearts and minds of the sincere jurors to sentence him to probation, so that no more children will have to be wrenched from their father. Bless all those who war against the FLDS; soften their hearts so that there can be peace and no more hostility.Last of all, please inspire the Texas Appeals Courts to be as wise and courageous as they were last year, and overturn the epic travesty which was the unlawful search of the YFZ Ranch.In the name of Jesus Christ,Amen</p>
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		<title>By: duaneh</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63110</link>
		<dc:creator>duaneh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it is that 16 year olds can legally have sex in Texas if they get a piece of paper at the courthouse ascertaining that they are "licensed". Raymond supposedly committed a heinous crime and subject to many years in prison, yet in most states what he alleged to have done is perfectly legal. 
Everyone is screaming bloody murder and appalled at Janet being a "victim", but has anyone asked her how she feels about this?
Flora says all flds women are "pimps", gosh I thought they were all brutally oppressed "sex slaves". But no, all FLDS are criminals fit to be shot and imprisoned for nothing more than adhering to "heretical" religions beliefs. 
I see no difference between how the FLDS are treated now, than jews, native americans, african-americans, and Armenians were treated in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it is that 16 year olds can legally have sex in Texas if they get a piece of paper at the courthouse ascertaining that they are &#8220;licensed&#8221;. Raymond supposedly committed a heinous crime and subject to many years in prison, yet in most states what he alleged to have done is perfectly legal.<br />
Everyone is screaming bloody murder and appalled at Janet being a &#8220;victim&#8221;, but has anyone asked her how she feels about this?<br />
Flora says all flds women are &#8220;pimps&#8221;, gosh I thought they were all brutally oppressed &#8220;sex slaves&#8221;. But no, all FLDS are criminals fit to be shot and imprisoned for nothing more than adhering to &#8220;heretical&#8221; religions beliefs.<br />
I see no difference between how the FLDS are treated now, than jews, native americans, african-americans, and Armenians were treated in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: kbp</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63107</link>
		<dc:creator>kbp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

You're the one that brought up the theory that &lt;I&gt;&lt;B&gt;maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, not I.

While you're close on what my argument has been, in this thread of comments I had only pointed out how ridiculous your "maybe" theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD's work for him!.

ps: You're working yourself into a hole with that interpretation of "evil", looking at it through eyes that are religious and/or logical.  But to your credit, you do stir up more comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one that brought up the theory that <i><b>maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan</b></i>, not I.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re close on what my argument has been, in this thread of comments I had only pointed out how ridiculous your &#8220;maybe&#8221; theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD&#8217;s work for him!.</p>
<p>ps: You&#8217;re working yourself into a hole with that interpretation of &#8220;evil&#8221;, looking at it through eyes that are religious and/or logical.  But to your credit, you do stir up more comments!</p>
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		<title>By: JustMe</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63106</link>
		<dc:creator>JustMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, 
if you have read the Bible (and I am supposing you have) it says God raised up Pharaoh to glorify His name. He even told Moses that Pharaoh would harden his heart. God knew he would do evil, but He used that evil to glorify His name. Pharaoh had the free agency to make the choice to do evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
if you have read the Bible (and I am supposing you have) it says God raised up Pharaoh to glorify His name. He even told Moses that Pharaoh would harden his heart. God knew he would do evil, but He used that evil to glorify His name. Pharaoh had the free agency to make the choice to do evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Riki</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63104</link>
		<dc:creator>Riki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, nothing happens that God does not want to happen. (my belief) Things happen because our values/beliefs (or what we SAY those are) are being tested &#38; we will be accountable in the end for our actions. Oaths aren't just empty words we parrot back just to get our Bar cards or take the bench.  It will be interesting to see all the tap-dancing some people are going to have to do on Judgment Day, justifying their actions in this case which are 180 degrees opposite of what they swore to do. I hear St. Peter makes Simon Cowell look like a kitty cat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, nothing happens that God does not want to happen. (my belief) Things happen because our values/beliefs (or what we SAY those are) are being tested &amp; we will be accountable in the end for our actions. Oaths aren&#8217;t just empty words we parrot back just to get our Bar cards or take the bench.  It will be interesting to see all the tap-dancing some people are going to have to do on Judgment Day, justifying their actions in this case which are 180 degrees opposite of what they swore to do. I hear St. Peter makes Simon Cowell look like a kitty cat.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.flds.ws/2009/11/09/the-vultures-are-circling-the-courthouse/#comment-63103</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

You said, "God has allowed “Caesar” (aka the State of Texas) to say that if you have sex with someone under 17 and are not legally married (again as defined by “Caesar”) then you are guilty of a crime."

Since when did God give "Caesar" authority over the religious covenant of marriage?  Since when did the Constitution give "Caesar" authority over religious covenants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;God has allowed “Caesar” (aka the State of Texas) to say that if you have sex with someone under 17 and are not legally married (again as defined by “Caesar”) then you are guilty of a crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since when did God give &#8220;Caesar&#8221; authority over the religious covenant of marriage?  Since when did the Constitution give &#8220;Caesar&#8221; authority over religious covenants?</p>
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