THE VULTURES ARE CIRCLING THE COURTHOUSE.

According to the records, when a situation of mutual consent came up between a 15 to 17 year old girl and a man, the sentence has always been at the low end of the scale, between probation and 2 years. Within the past year, there were 3 trials on this particular charge, NOT ONE MAN received a sentence over 2 years.

Because he is a Mormon, Raymond will be sentence to the maximum. This is not only wrong, it is religious persecution which makes it illegal in this Country, unless of course you happen to live in Texas and are Mormon.

By taking all the actions against these people from day one of this “Party” Texas threw for the Mormon’s, to the rush to believe that the hoax was true, to the use of financially motivated quacks and bigots determined to destroy that which they themselves failed at, this has been a persecution worthy of the Spanish Inquisition. Their “Belief system” was on trial and it had nothing whatsoever to do with child abuse or neglect.

If this were truely about Janet being sexually abused, or any of the women on the Ranch being sexually abused, then why would they have been treated like “Cattle” as barbie so jockingly called them from the bench.

Until his Appeal, Raymond will be trotted off to jail in chains and all the good old boys will cheer a job well done and then go back to their trailers. Barbie will prepare the next martyr for slaughter, and Raymond’s wives and children will be wrapped in a cocoon of emotional, spiritual and material love that can only be dreamed about outside of the Ranch’s confines.

In barbie’s despotic world, a person and their family would be devastated by what she has orchestrated, but then, she doesn’t have a single clue of what the Mormon’s are about and how they view life, death, and their Faith in it.

She assumes that being in prison strips a man of everything he holds dear. Raymond and Warren have lost nothing and neither have their families.

She assumes that she can issue an order and change anything she wants to. She has not, and CANNOT change the way Mormon’s live and believe.

She thinks she has come up with the “Final solution” to the Mormon’s. Just as the Nazi’s did, she will fail at that desire as well. Not only has she not destroyed them, they will return larger and stronger once the children she abused grow into adulthood. That’s the way it was after 1953 and that is the way it is after 2008. Long after barbie and her system is history, the FLDS will not only persevere, it will flourish because of people like Raymond, Janet, Teresa, Louisa, Dan and Maggie.

Barbie stands at the oceans edge and demands that the tide not rise. Even Wilson Josiah Jessop knows that isn’t going to happen.

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I have unwavering faith that the FLDS and me met at this time, at this place for a reason. The irony in all this is that I am not a very religeous sort but feel impassioned to help the FLDS because of my staunch belief in the freedom of religion. For the life of me, I cannot find a Bible that states Jesus advocated using machine guns, tanks and prisons to change the minds of others. I do recall him saying to love your enemies, love God and do unto others as you would have them do unto yoiu. Did he mean it or not? For those interested, I have a published book, RANTINGS OF AN INSOMNIAC, OR I WISH JESUS HADN’T SAID THAT, available at Amazon.com or Barnes and Nobel.com that clarifies most of my feelings surrounding this egregious, horrible event.
Godspeed,
Stephen Smith, M.D.

1. stephen smith on December 2nd, 2009 at 3:14 am
Ron:
“It’s just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God’s plan is.”

The record is present in the comments below.

Your comment, which qualified your theory with “maybe”, initiated discussion on what “GOD’s plan” could be.

I simply pointed out the theory would be so hypocritical that it was ridiculous.

You’d have to point out what comment shows either of us claimed “to know what God’s plan is.”

2. kbp on November 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
You’re the one that brought up the theory that maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan, not I… I had only pointed out how ridiculous your “maybe” theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD’s work for him!.

My theory is no more ridiculous than yours. It’s just that one of us has the pride and vanity to claim to know what God’s plan is.

3. Ron in Houston on November 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
One of the reasons why I have become semi-obsessed with this case is it touches on so many core issues in my life but yet in a way so totally different, it allows me the opportunity to analyze my life objectively.

I (think) this life is a lesson/test for people. I had a lot of injustice in my life - so has my mother. My developmentally disabled brother was horribly abused in State care (During the time when the State forced parents to relinquish custody to receive help).

I have seen corrupt judge and lawyers get away with crimes – prosper and be considered upstanding citizens . I have seen the few who were caught get slaps on the wrists or dodge the charge totally – and then reappear in my life 20 years later. (So I predict Walthers and those corrupt LE will do this to others.)

So injustice might be planned to teach us? Even this doesn’t make sense though because I think this made me a better person but I think it had the opposite effect on my sister.

I don’t understand why, if there is a God, knowledge just isn’t given to us and the suffering skipped?

4. * on November 10th, 2009 at 1:16 am
I hope fall of Reynolds will forgive me for thuging this of his site, but thought it was perfect and sweet, humbling to read! May heavenly father bless you for your goodness!

Dear Heavenly Father,Please forgive me for my weaknesses and impatience (and dry wit). Please bless me to be as faithful to my religion as the FLDS are to theirs. Please bless our country at this time when the Constitution hangs by a thread (and Barack Hussein Obama is fixin’ to snip it). Please bless all the FLDS defendants who are being accused of pedophilia and sexual molestation for simply marrying as did 99% of our pioneer ancestors. Bless the government to have a teensy-weensy little bit of forgiveness, since all the Fundamentalist Mormon communities have now pledged to refrain from all marriage age violations (even though the statutes keep changing for political reasons).Please bless Raymond’s family-members (and all his children, too). Bless the jury to not be infected by the bitter acrimony of the anti-polygamy crusaders. Bless them to see Raymond for the honorable father he is, and to see that his religion was his reason for structuring his family in the way he did, and that his loyalty to his imprisoned prophet is a sound assurance that he will not fall afoul of the law again. Prompt the hearts and minds of the sincere jurors to sentence him to probation, so that no more children will have to be wrenched from their father. Bless all those who war against the FLDS; soften their hearts so that there can be peace and no more hostility.Last of all, please inspire the Texas Appeals Courts to be as wise and courageous as they were last year, and overturn the epic travesty which was the unlawful search of the YFZ Ranch.In the name of Jesus Christ,Amen

5. pins on November 10th, 2009 at 1:15 am
The way I see it is that 16 year olds can legally have sex in Texas if they get a piece of paper at the courthouse ascertaining that they are “licensed”. Raymond supposedly committed a heinous crime and subject to many years in prison, yet in most states what he alleged to have done is perfectly legal.
Everyone is screaming bloody murder and appalled at Janet being a “victim”, but has anyone asked her how she feels about this?
Flora says all flds women are “pimps”, gosh I thought they were all brutally oppressed “sex slaves”. But no, all FLDS are criminals fit to be shot and imprisoned for nothing more than adhering to “heretical” religions beliefs.
I see no difference between how the FLDS are treated now, than jews, native americans, african-americans, and Armenians were treated in the past.

6. duaneh on November 9th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Ron,

You’re the one that brought up the theory that maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan, not I.

While you’re close on what my argument has been, in this thread of comments I had only pointed out how ridiculous your “maybe” theory was, in that barbie was doing GOD’s work for him!.

ps: You’re working yourself into a hole with that interpretation of “evil”, looking at it through eyes that are religious and/or logical. But to your credit, you do stir up more comments!

7. kbp on November 9th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Ron,
if you have read the Bible (and I am supposing you have) it says God raised up Pharaoh to glorify His name. He even told Moses that Pharaoh would harden his heart. God knew he would do evil, but He used that evil to glorify His name. Pharaoh had the free agency to make the choice to do evil.

8. JustMe on November 9th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
First off, nothing happens that God does not want to happen. (my belief) Things happen because our values/beliefs (or what we SAY those are) are being tested & we will be accountable in the end for our actions. Oaths aren’t just empty words we parrot back just to get our Bar cards or take the bench. It will be interesting to see all the tap-dancing some people are going to have to do on Judgment Day, justifying their actions in this case which are 180 degrees opposite of what they swore to do. I hear St. Peter makes Simon Cowell look like a kitty cat.

9. Riki on November 9th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Ron,

You said, “God has allowed “Caesar” (aka the State of Texas) to say that if you have sex with someone under 17 and are not legally married (again as defined by “Caesar”) then you are guilty of a crime.”

Since when did God give “Caesar” authority over the religious covenant of marriage? Since when did the Constitution give “Caesar” authority over religious covenants?

10. Brent Hartman on November 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Ya God will reward her, kick the devil out let her move in!

11. pins on November 9th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Ron We appear to have struck a nerve. Let ’s start with the fact that there is no complaining witness. That means that the prosecutores do not care for the so-called victim. This is plainly religious persecution. Persecution occurrs becuase it goes unrecognized or unresisited at the time that it occures. At the end of World War II most white people wpuld have said that Black people in this country were treated fairly. Today few white people would say that. You can support the persecution of the FLDS by doing nothing or you can oppose the persecution by doing what you can to oppose it.

12. THOMAS on November 9th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Here, here.

Which I believe is exactly what Raymond and each of his wives have done.

I see no victims, and the children are most certainly not the fruit of the poisoned tree as barbie would want them to believe they are.

13. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
One’s conscience doesn’t manufacture the definition of something that it be good or evil. Whether something is good or evil stands for itself; one’s conscience defines it for the individual, or communicates the reality or truth regarding it.

People who openly rebel against God do not “mess up” his plan- there are places for those individuals.

God is omnipotent, God is the author and maker of justice and free will- Can a product tell it’s maker what to do? Can a doughnut tell the baker “Hey, I need more yeast and sugar” (sorry for the crude example)

These philosophical discussions are a bit of a waste of time, in my opinion. I just try and find Heavenly Father myself and what he wants for me.

14. WC on November 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Evil is dependent on people and their choices- not God

So, you’re saying there is no good nor evil That is is solely defined by people and their choices?

Yes, God wants to abolish evil, but can’t bypass justice and free will.

So, you’re saying either God is not omnipotent or that he’s willing to allow evil to give a bunch of puny little mortals “free will?”

God can abolish evil when all his children make correct choices

So, he’s willing to let any turd on this earth mess up the “divine plan?”

As far as defining evil, injustice- everyone has what’s called a conscience.

So God doesn’t say what’s good or evil, but leaves it up to mere mortal “conscience?”

15. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
kbp

God has allowed “Caesar” (aka the State of Texas) to say that if you have sex with someone under 17 and are not legally married (again as defined by “Caesar”) then you are guilty of a crime.

Your argument is that it shouldn’t be a crime; however, it wouldn’t be a crime unless God allowed it to be so.

No one should really complain that Raymond is facing 20 years in prison. In your book Raymond is following God’s law and is defying Caesar’s law. He is merely trading his perceived freedom in this life for true freedom in the hereafter.

16. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
As far as defining evil, injustice- everyone has what’s called a conscience.

17. WC on November 9th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Evil is dependent on people and their choices- not God; to the extent people believe in God and chose his goodness. Yes, God wants to abolish evil, but can’t bypass justice and free will. God can abolish evil when all his children make correct choices, with mistakes paid for by Christ. Perfection comes when making a correct choice over and over when evil is placed before you, that is why there is evil in the world.

18. WC on November 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Ron; the Flds approach it with hunility aand the states of Utah, Arizona and Texas walk all over them.

Thomas - isn’t this life just temporary? Isn’t “this world” not important but what is to come more important? Why does it matter if Utah, Arizona and Texas walks all over them? Isn’t what’s more important that they approach it with humility and safeguard their place in the hereafter?

19. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Ron:
…Or maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan. It which case GOD will reward her.

… Sounds to me like you think you’ve got everything the almighty is going to do figured out. …Try approaching it with humility and perhaps you may understand.

Should it be ” GOD’s plan”, for some reason or another, to see that all which violate the law Raymond was convicted of, might not GOD then start with the father of Jesus?

The level of evidence is similar to that in Raymond’s case:

1. Many scholars, of which the testimonial for many far exceeds that of Dr. “Bill” (must be acceptable), have stated the “victim” was under 16 YO at the time;

2. None have stepped forward, nor has any declared, that he was NOT the father of Jesus;

3. The “church records” verify the time and place of the birth;

4. Musser can again be qualified as an “expert” for these records, as I’m quite certain she has at one time or another seen her “wedding album” near the source of the “church records” I reference, and her testimony for them should be as good or better to establish the father of Jesus was around then.

20. kbp on November 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
WC:

First, here’s one choice. Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is not “all powerful.” If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?

Are you truly saying that God and Lucifer are equal in power?

21. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Ron,

Before this world was, there were two plans of salvation. One promoted by Lucifer and the other by Jesus Christ. Lucifer’s plan would force everyone to obey God’s laws, thus everyone would be saved. Christ would allow for free agency, and thus everyone would disobey to certain degrees.

When Adam, the first man, was placed on the Earth-there was no sin, no death, and no procreation. In order to procreate, Adam had to introuce sin, or disobedience, into the world. When this was introduced, along came with it was suffering, pain in childbirth, trial, tribulations, injustices, evil, etc. With the sacrifice of Christ, all this was paid back. All the suffering, pain, deaths, injustices to innocents and children due to accidents and natural disasters and evils secondary to free will of men will be resolved, paid back and those innocents will be recompensed, there lives given back, and there sufferings given a value and that value given back to them.. Evils done by people with knowledge of what they are doing is wrong can be recompensed if they believe in Jesus and repent and follow him; otherwise the pain and suffering will have to be paid by them.

Yes, God is omnipotent and has the power to prevent all injustices, natural disasters, and accidents with associated sufferings and pain. Just because He doesn’t doesn’t nullify his position, it is just that it’s not part of the plan. Because you don’t see this is because we are temporally in the middle of the plan and can’t see the ends or the means yet, which would not produce the faith enough to save ourselves. The purpose of the plan is to produce faith- not satisfy lusts of people like yourself who want it all laid out and explained to them or proved to them.

22. WC on November 9th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Bill

1. The “of God” and “of the Devil” is really a false choice. Unless you have the spiritual pride to say that you understand the mind of God, then you truly cannot say which is which. Most people when faced with this problem choose “of God” when it backs what they believe and “of the Devil” when it goes against what they believe. That’s exactly what you’re doing here.

2. “Barbie” absolutely is following her own sense of justice. Ordering all 430+ kids into custody clearly shows that.

3. I don’t like the current state of the law. I feel that LE gets away with way too much and that when someone complains it too often gets written off as “harmless error.” However, do I think given the current state of the law that the search was legal? Absolutely. The search is legal. It will be upheld in Texas or in Federal court. Do I agree with it? I don’t know. However, ultimately, it is what it is.

4. I don’t support breaking the law to reach a goal. There is no “the ends justify the means.” What really must be protected are the means (i.e. the process.) To me, protecting the process means that we may let some of the guilty get off, but we will be far less likely to convict the innocent.

Part of the reason that I post on your site is that you bring light to a number of issues. Kids do die in foster care. Kids get molested in foster care. People often forget this and sometimes need the slap in the face of the true reality of the system. To the extend you’re able to do that, I’d say you’re doing a community service.

23. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Ron’s comment can be taken at least two ways. It all depends how we interpret “reward.”

Persecution IS inevitable, and part of the plan too. So I’ll agree with Ron

24. Xorph on November 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Coming from a semi-objective person - I don’t follow any religion:

The problem with Barbie is she ISN’T choosing the rule of law over the law of God. She is choosing her ethical beliefs over the rule of law.

She is follow her own sense of justice. And Ron, I think you also know the search was illegal. Not that you will ever admit it but at least be honest with yourself.

I know you and Blues wrote a few laughable articles about why the search was legal - I don’t believe you or Blues are that Stupid. No, you can’t search an entire community - and no Federal Court will uphold the search.

So in a way, Ron and Walthers have the similar ethical beliefs as the FLDS - breaking the law for your own ethical beliefs.

25. * on November 9th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
You hinted that your God just may have been making barbie commit the atrocities she did.

I’m just trying to find out which God you worship, and why he would be in agreement with that kind of barbarity.

As far as omnipotence is concerned, no, I don’t think the God I worship is, I believe that people like barbie and Adolf are the work of the devil.

People who get off on seeing children hurt and abused, and those that create that hurt and abuse are scumbags in my book, and barbie’s name is in that book.

26. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Ron; the Flds approach it with hunility aand the states of Utah, Arizona and Texas walk all over them.

27. THOMAS on November 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Ron You started out supporting the FLDS and then you got cold feet. You swtiched to the bad guys because that was safer.

28. THOMAS on November 9th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Bill

If God is omnipotent then why didn’t God stop the Nazi’s?

Are you saying that free will trumps God?

If so, then is God really ominipotent?

29. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
THOMAS

Unless you claim to have a direct line to GOD, how do you know that I support an “injustice.”

Sounds to me like you think you’ve got everything the almighty is going to do figured out. That’s called PRIDE in my book.

Try approaching it with humility and perhaps you may understand.

30. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
You believe that ripping nursing babies from their mothers arms is Godly?

You believe that terrorizing, abusing and neglecting children is Godly?

You believe that kidnapping and holding adult women until they give birth and then kidnapping the babies is Godly?

I guess by your standards, Hitler was merely doing God’s work.

Please let us know what God you worship, he sure isn’t the one we know!

31. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Houston Ron: The injustice that you advcoate will rebound upon you.

32. THOMAS on November 9th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
GOD is their leader, not BARBIE….one day she’ll pray she wasn’t involved.

Or maybe “BARBIE” is just fulfilling GOD’s plan. It which case GOD will reward her.

33. Ron in Houston on November 9th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I just had to laugh:

I just watched a piece on CNN. It showed a deputy in court stealing papers from a lawyer and having them copied.

This was from that nutball sheriff in AZ. The Judge and the Sheriff told the lawyer that what the deputy did was correct!

Would barbie and Doran have done the same thing?

Most probably!

Let’s face it folks, the Constitution is a joke; ON YOU!

34. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
It does not appear that Trish Choate has a long career at the local newspaper; she’s just not vicious enough against the FLDS to suit local taste’s.

35. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
From an article by Brooke on 4/13/08:

Stephen Smith, an internal medicine physician in San Angelo, is part of the medical team at Fort Concho. He is wrestling with the judgments being made about the FLDS, given what he has seen - and considering abuse remains widespread in the world outside the ranch.

“In my opinion, we had to go do something about them so we didn’t have to keep looking at our own behavior,” he said, pointing out that “We didn’t round up all the Catholic schools when we found out about their abuse.”

He said most of the women and children are in good health - healthier than most people.

36. Julie on November 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Dr. Smith and his Nurse need to be thanked for their very brave support of the right thing to do.

Perhaps we need to organize a show of support for barbie’s next victim, and denounce her and the persecution of the towns Mormon’s.

37. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
“Two men stood outside the courtroom, holding up protest signs underneath clouds threatening rain.

Dr. Stephen H. Smith and his nurse said they were protesting in support of the FLDS”

I feel ashamed we couldn’t muster a better protest. I guess that’s better than nobody.

38. WC on November 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I am reminded of what Joseph Smith said on one occasion. He said H.F. told him he could have anything he wanted. He said he dared not ask for the life of his worst enemy, lest they should repent. And I pray I can forgive all those involved in Texas, lest any of them repent.

39. JustMe on November 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Wel said! GOD is their leader, not BARBIE….one day she’ll pray she wasn’t involved.

40. pins on November 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
An excellent article. Bravo!

41. Cupcake on November 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
FLDS–Do you want to stop the persecution?
Be fruitful and multiply and multiply and
multiply and multiply This is the way,
n’est-ce pas?

When the majority of the voters in
your county are FLDS–you’ll become the
ones who will start writing the law.

42. Bob on November 9th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

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