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DON’T ANSWER THE DOOR, IT’S THEM MORMONS!

There you are, sitting in your boxers with your 14 year old honey riding on your knee and who knocks on your door? THEM PESKY MORMONS AGAIN!

You know how to recognize them, they usually show up on a Saturday, there are at least 2 of them, maybe 4, and they all have their stupid Bible’s in their hands ready to preach to you on your day off!

Well Jurors, relax. The FLDS are not interested in your 14 year old’s, they do not knock on any doors, nor do they look for converts. In fact, the opposite is true. They don’t want anything to do with you, or your way of life. They don’t need a jail brimming with prisoners, they don’t have their schools brimming with pregnant teens. They don’t need the drunken violence and they don’t need the drug induced beatings your families take from you. They don’t need your food stamps or your welfare and they most certainly don’t need your version of “Christianity”.

You’ve been whipped into a frenzy by Mankin, Rose, Darby, Hildrerband and barbie, and yet, all the FLDS wants is to be able to practice their Religion with the same freedoms you enjoy.

They feel it’s barbaric for you to openly sexually mutilate your male children at birth, but they know that you have that right, after all, you have been doing it for generations.

In the name of Allah, some of their neighbors even sexually mutilate their female children. They feel this too is wrong, but they do not ride against you.

Some of their neighbors allow their children to have their bodies pieced, or have their children tattooed because it “Looks cute”. They don’t think it’s right, but they don’t try to capture and sell your children over your abuse of them.

SO dispute of what you have been told by the ignorant or sexually frustrated leaders in your community, it is not the FLDS interrupting or trying to change your lifelong practices, but your fellow neighbors who have nothing better to do before they hop off to Mexico with their life partners or cruise the local Middle School for some fresh meat.

“LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!”

Did barbie, or the DA happen to mention this little bit of knowledge?

Jury Nullification

Why you should know what it is

By Russ Emal (with a little assistance from the Internet)

Is it true or false that when you sit on a jury, you may vote on the verdict according to your own conscience. “True”, you say, but then why do most judges tell you that you may consider “only the facts” and that you are not to let your conscience, opinion of the law, or the motives of the defendant affect your decision?

In a trial by jury, the judge’s job is to referee the trial and provide neutral legal advice to the jury, beginning with a full and truthful explanation of a juror’s rights and responsibilities.

But judges rarely “fully inform” jurors of their rights, especially their power to judge the law itself and to vote on the verdict according to conscience. Instead, they end up assisting the prosecution by dismissing any prospective juror who will admit to knowing about this right, starting with anyone who also admits having qualms with any specific law.

In fact, if you have doubts about the fairness of a law, you have the right and obligation to find someone innocent even though they have actually broken the law! John Adams, our second president, had this to say about the juror: “It is not only his right but his duty…to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court.”

It was normal procedure in the early days of our country to inform juries of their right to judge the law and the defendant. And if the judge didn’t tell them, the defense attorney very often would. The nation’s Founders understood that trials by juries of ordinary citizens, fully informed of their powers as jurors, would confine the government to its proper role as the servant, not the master, of the people.

It was our Constitution that gave us the foundation that enables us to remain a democracy. The Constitution provides five separate tribunals with veto power Ñ representatives, senate, executive, judges and jury. Before a law gains the power to punish that law must first pass the test of each constitutionally guaranteed authority.

“Jury nullification of law”, as it is sometimes called, is a traditional American right defended by the Founding Fathers. Those patriots intended that the jury serve as one of the tests a law must pass through before it assumes enough popular authority to be enforced. Our constitutional designers saw to it that each enactment of law must pass the scrutiny of these tribunals before it gains the authority to punish those who choose to violate any written law. Thomas Jefferson said, “I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.”

Four decades before Jefferson spoke these words, a jury had established freedom of the press in the colonies by finding John Peter Zenger not guilty of seditious libel. He had been arrested and charged for printing critical Ñ but true Ñ news stories about the Governor of New York Colony. “Truth is no defense”, the court told the jury! But the jury decided to reject bad law, and acquitted.

Why? Because defense attorney Andrew Hamilton informed the jury of its rights: he related the story of William Penn’s trial Ñ of the courageous London jury which refused to find him guilty of preaching Quaker religious doctrine (at that time an illegal religion). His jurors stood by their verdict even though held without food, water, or toilet facilities for four days. The jurors were fined and imprisoned for refusing to convict William Penn Ñ until England’s highest court acknowledged their right to reject both law and fact and to find a verdict according to conscience. It was exercise of that right in Penn’s trial which eventually led to recognition of free speech, freedom of religion, and of peaceable assembly as individual rights.

American colonial juries regularly thwarted bad law sent over from mother England. Britain then retaliated by restricting both trial by jury and other rights which juries had won or protected. Result? The Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution!

Afterwards, to forever protect all the individual rights they’d fought for from future attacks by government, the Founders of these United States in three places included trial by jury Ñ meaning tough, fully informed juries Ñ in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

“Bad law” Ñ special-interest legislation which tramples our rights Ñ is no longer sent here from Britain. But our own legislatures keep us well supplied…That is why today, more than ever, we need juries to protect us!

Even though it was once the written law, would you vote to convict an escaped slave from the south, return him to his “Master” and to then be punished, maybe by inflecting torture and disfigurement to that escaped slave? Your answer is hopefully “NO!” But, at one time that was the law. How about burning a witch? Once too that was the law, a bad law and one that should not to be acted upon by our juries. If these laws were again passed today, how should you vote if on that trial’s jury?

“If a juror accepts as the law that which the judge states then that juror has accepted the exercise of absolute authority of a government employee and has surrendered a power and right that once was the citizen’s safeguard of liberty.” (1788) (2 Elliots Debates, 94, Bancroft, History of the Constitution, 267)

Despite the courts’ refusal to inform jurors of their historical veto power, jury nullification in liquor law trials was a major contributing factor in ending alcohol prohibition. (Today in Kentucky jurors often refuse to convict under the marijuana prohibition laws.)

Fewer incidence of jury veto actions occurred as time increased after the courts began concealing jurors’ rights from American citizens and falsely instructing them that they may consider only the facts as admitted by the court. Researchers in 1966 found that jury nullification occurred only 8.8 percent of the time between 1954 and 1958, and suggested that “one reason why the jury exercises its very real power [to nullify] so sparingly is because it is officially told it has none.” (California’s charge to the jury in criminal cases is typical: “It becomes my duty as judge to instruct you concerning the law applicable to this case, and it is your duty as jurors to follow the law as I shall state it to you … You are to be governed solely by the evidence introduced in this trial and the law as stated to you by me.”) Today no officer of the court is allowed to tell the jury of their veto power.

To better explain to prospective jurors their rights, an explanation that is not forthcoming from our courts judges, an organization called the Fully Informed Jury Association has been established. “FIJA” is a national jury-education organization which both educates juries and promotes laws to require that judges resume telling trial jurors “the whole truth” about their rights, or at least to allow lawyers to tell them. FIJA believes “liberty and justice for all” won’t return to America until the citizens are again fully informed of their power as jurors, and routinely put it to good use.

About 18 months ago, armed with a number of pamphlets explaining the importance to each of us in having the courts fully inform juries of their rights, I stood in the Mendocino County Courthouse. I had been talking about this issue, with courthouse visitors when I was “invited” into Judge James Luther’s courtroom by two of his bailiffs. Judge Luther, showed me how in general our courts have eroded. I was told to stop talking to my fellow citizens about their constitutional rights. Their right to understand a jury’s role in the court procedure. I was told to stop or be arrested for jury tampering.

We can only speculate on why there is a general distrust by judges. A distrust of our citizen jurys to decide on the fairness of laws that are often enacted by self-serving legislators? Disrespect for the idea of government “of, by, and for the people”? Unwillingness to part with their power? Ignorance of all the rights and powers that trial jurors necessarily acquire upon assuming the responsibility of judging a case? Actual concern that trial jurors might “misuse” their power if told about it? How can people get fair trials if the jurors are told they can’t use their consciences?

If jurors were supposed to judge “only the facts”, their job could be done by computer. It is precisely because people have feelings, opinions, wisdom, experience, and conscience that we depend upon jurors, not upon machines, to judge court cases.

Why is so little known about what is now called “jury nullification”? In the late 1800’s, a number of powerful special-interest groups (not unlike many we have with us today) inspired a series of judicial decisions which tried to limit jury rights. While no court has yet dared to deny that juries can “nullify” or “veto” a law, or can bring in a “general verdict”, they have held that jurors need not be told about these rights!

However, jury veto power is still recognized. In 1972 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals held that the trial jury has an “…unreviewable and irreversible power…to acquit in disregard of the instruction on the law given by the trial judge. The pages of history shine upon instances of the jury’s exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge; for example, acquittals under the fugitive slave law (473F 2dl 113)

Today thousands of harmless citizens are in prison only because their trial juries were not fully informed, and the U.S. now leads the world in percent of population behind bars! More prisons are being built than ever before for those whose “crime” effects no one but themselves.

We need to be wary and/or critical of any proposals to “streamline” the jury system, or to create jurisdictions or regulations which “do not require” trial by jury (two of the means by which your power as a juror is stolen!) We now hear about plans to allow a court to find a person guilty of a crime with less then a 12-0 vote.

To find out more about jury nullification and FIJA call 800-TEL-JURY and record your name and address. Or call FIJA National at (406) 793-5550.

Copyright Mendocino College Eagle 1995
Permission granted to excerpt or use this article if source is cited

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36 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Nephew,

    How is he posting as if he’s coming from your site?

    Do you want to see the signature?

    1. Bill on November 9th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
  2. Most of “diesel” posts of late are also KB sockpuppetry.

    2. Pliggy on November 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
  3. “diesel” of 10:04 is not the original “diesel” but a Kindred Bigot mole. (Poor pitiful life to live by loving hate and spreading lies)

    3. Pliggy on November 9th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
  4. I hear u Bob. - I understand your point, but the way I understand it - With both the judge and the prosecution working hard to stack, then prejudice, the jury, Steven and Hudson had to make their primary focus making the case very strong for appeal. The fact is, the FLDS knew they must lose this one so they could appeal to get their documents and family records back. Its better for them to lose one right off the back and get the appeal rolling and then wait while more of their religious records are decimated. From here they can add the states witness testimony to their evidence hearing in AZ and the federal civil law suit they’re working on.. See? They HAD to lose this battle to win the war.

    4. Christmas Jacobs on November 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
  5. Ditto!to *just me* I totally agree

    5. pins on November 9th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
  6. Cripes….let me try it this way…

    Before I went to law school, I was an actor. When I was in acting school in NYC, we had some people in the class who were lawyers. They weren’t there because they had stars in their eyes. They were there to learn how to win cases. Win cases!

    There was no law taught in acting school. None. Zip. Nada. So why were the lawyers there?

    They were there because a smart defense lawyer knows that a courtroom is a stage and he has to win over an audience of jurors and convince them that his client should walk.

    I wasn’t in the courtroom and maybe the defense team did a great job. But, as I’ve been arguing even before the case was in court, this was not a difficult case for the prosecution. This being the case, the defense had to pull out all the stops and work the jury to have the individual jury members see through the minutiae to arrive at a just decision.

    6. Bob on November 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
  7. Sigh . . . The prosecution did NOT PROVE any assault took place IN Texas! The second biggest reversible error made by Walther (after allowing in the evidence) was not instructing the jury that the state had not proven jurisdiction.
    The jury did not have to exercise its right to nullify. In fact it nullified justrice when it declared him guilty when the state presented them no proof that the act occurred in Texas.

    Like CPS, LE and Walther - if they had simply followed the law.

    I believe Wendell Nielson’s trial woulds be an excellent one to argue state persecution of religious beliefs. - It’s comin’ Bob. Be patient.

    7. Christmas Jacobs on November 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
  8. Aww geez. I didn’t think I’d have to explain this further.

    Look, the lawyer doesn’t stand up and say: “I’m looking for jury nullification.” He simply argues in a persuasive manner and subtly introduces ideas of how the black letter law is an ass in this case.

    And, the jury doesn’t then stand up and say: “We’re nullifying the law.” It simply finds that the defendant is innocent and finds the rationale in the law to reach this conclusion.

    A good lawyer understands human psychology and is able to use it to his client’s advantage.

    8. Bob on November 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
  9. For a lawyer to directly present to the jury a case for nullification is against the procedural rules of a Texas and other courts.

    If a lawyer opens the door for a religious freedom case the lawyer opens the door for the other side to present a contrary case……and the judge will shoot one or both sides down for opening an irrelevant argument.

    The prosecution stayed strictly in a ‘lane” which argued the law……….under 17 and no right to consent.

    Sure a lawyer may have skirted the issue but in all reality barbie would have shut down any argument that strayed from the States agenda. Jury nullification is in all practicality a practice of a jury acting alone and as an independent body…………..fat chance in Texas or many other states.

    Hildibrand set the agenda, slipped the new laws under the radar of the legislature and set up the scenerio that will convict many…………but just a note…………16 was the age of the non-victim and that age was within limits of thethe pre-Hildibrand law.

    Everything in this case will be decided in the long run and will be based on the procedural issues and “technicalities” of the trial………………………….a long process is underway. Sure hope Raymond and the others are patient.

    9. zxcvbnm on November 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
  10. Just how many of the KS are qualified to assess an attorney’s peformance? Most of them act as though they are watching a football game instead of a trial.

    Think about it. Did any of them understand the principle of presumption of innocence? No. As far as they were concerned, Raymond was guilty before the trial ever started.

    If they can’t understand the very basics of criminal law, how could they possibly determine whether an attorney did his job well?

    As for Stevens, we’ll see how good an attorney he is if the FLDS file an appeal.

    10. Cupcake on November 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
  11. Julie, the two strategies are not mutually exclusive. One argues in the alternative.

    11. Bob on November 9th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
  12. Hoping for jury nullification in Texas is like hoping for an earthquake. And to get twelve in a row–not gonna happen. The defense is doing it correctly, I think, going for a fourth amendment appeal while allowing Walther to make a slew of reversible errors, and getting a vicarious shot at Dan Fischer through Dr. Beall in the process.

    12. Julie on November 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
  13. Apparently some have misunderstood the principle of jury nullification that I touched on in my last post. Of course you argue all the elements of the law. That’s a given.

    But, I believe the defense should have also persuasively argued that the law is wrong and applying it mechanically in this case results in an injustice.

    The defense should have made something very plain to the jurors. If we are going to simply mechanically apply the law, then we don’t need jurors. We could do that with a computer. We have human beings as jurors, because we want human thought processes and human understanding when we try human beings.

    We want human beings on the juryto ask themselves if this FLDS man before them who married a girl in a loving relationship, should be put in the same category as a man who, say, goes to a park to prey on young girls.

    Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the defense never helped the jurors ask that question in their own minds and they were left with little option except to convict.

    13. Bob on November 9th, 2009 at 10:37 am
  14. I don’t see why Stevens wouldn’t let Janet testify. His first responsibility is to his client Raymond. I would love to hear from her; she can give us her perspective.

    14. Alinusara10 on November 9th, 2009 at 10:21 am
  15. Cupcake

    Janet will not take the stand, she will answer them nothing.

    But now Brooke says Raymond married another 15 yr old, a Jeffs daughter, and that will be used against him today as well. I dont think she will testify either.

    15. diesel on November 9th, 2009 at 10:04 am
  16. Oh, dear! I misspelled “her” because I was talking with my daughter. Is TBM going to run it on his blog too?

    16. Cupcake on November 8th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
  17. What are the odds that Janet will take the stand before sentencing?

    I’m guessing that she won’t. Stevens won’t let here.

    17. Cupcake on November 8th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
  18. I thought it was difficult to make an assessment of either attorney simply by reading about the trial. I would have preferred to watch the trial on tv.

    18. Cupcake on November 8th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
  19. Yeah, no $hit. They should have just asked Carolyn how long she thought he should stay in jail and be done with it.

    19. WC on November 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
  20. Well, Stevens is a good lawyer no doubt. However, if he’d won this case, I’d probably have built a shrine and started worshiping him.

    20. Ron in Houston on November 8th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
  21. On the other hand, if he had been successful and got an aquital for Raymond, they would have been cursing him as a filthy NG,MF,DB.

    It’s easy to be magnanimous when you win one.

    When the conviction is Appealed and the verdict is overturned, watch how they clobber the COA.

    Texas Monthly was one of the most respected magazines in Texas. After the April piece on Mineola, it became a “Liberal rag”.

    If the CS have something good to say about you, you KNOW you’ve FU !

    21. Bill on November 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
  22. It’s curious to see all the KS kiss Stevens’ ass even though he is defending the FLDS. He must be some lawyer.

    22. WC on November 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
  23. Yeah, the religion of popular culture wants you to follow Obama. The first baby born in Texas was celebrated in a Dallas newspaper born to an underage teenager. Then one reads the dogwhisperer’s blog accusing posters on this site as child abuse proponents- one has to wonder if this level of hypocrisy comes natural or is learned somehow.

    23. WC on November 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
  24. The FLDS are guilty of following the wrong “cult” leader and indoctrinating their children with “incorrect” beliefs
    This is one of many songs praising “Great Leader” Barack Obama that students in public schools are being taught to recite. Talking about “brainwashing”….I guess it depends on who is doing it.

    Obama,
    President Obama,
    President Obama,
    President Obama,
    President Obama–He says
    Yes we can!
    President Obama–We say
    Yes we can!
    President Obama–I say
    Yes I can!
    President Obama–He says
    Yes we can!

    Barack Obama–Oh yes he rates,
    The first Black President in the United States!
    He’s smart and he’s–so so good!
    He’ll lead this country as he should!
    He wants us all to work together,
    To make this country even better!
    Prez’ Obama says–”Yes We Can!”
    Make the US better–hand in hand!

    Obama,
    President Obama,
    President Obama,
    President Obama
    President!

    http://insidecharmcity.com/2009/10/06/lyrics-from-obama-worship-song-in-maryland-elementary-school/

    24. duaneh1 on November 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
  25. It’s good to see that the rest of you remain optomistic about an appeal.

    25. Cupcake on November 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
  26. I was very disappointed the Rangers were not the ones on trial.

    I can see why the defense did not reply.

    Right now, the State only has the evidence obtained during or as a result of the raid.

    If the defense put on witnesses, the appeals court could then say those defense witnesses supported the State.

    26. * on November 8th, 2009 at 11:51 am
  27. This will read like it is coming from the finger tips of someone overly paranoid…

    One of the first things I did, just prior to when jury selection began, was ask around in an effort to see about obtaining copies of the court transcripts. It is very common in criminal trials for the defense (& prosecution) attorneys to ask for copies of the transcripts at the end of each day (usually hours after, but in the evening prior to the next day in court so they can better prepare themselves).

    To date, none of the transcripts are available. The long hours did not help reduce the load that court reporter has. Without a copy of the transcripts, or any filings on the topic, I’m uncertain if any attorneys asked for them.

    I have to wonder if the court reporter will have to submit a rough draft for approval prior to releasing copies. A quick review could add a word like “if” here & there to qualify any slips of the tongue. The only person who has shown obvious efforts to be precise in what they do is walther, as the rest seem to think whatever they do is the law and just do as they please.

    I have noticed a few quotes in the news of what was allegedly said are not the exact same words from one report to the next. Just tweak a little here & there …and you have a better finished product.

    Just a thought on the subject, and I hope the transcripts are available soon. If not, I will grow suspicious as to what is holding them up.

    27. kent on November 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am
  28. Ron, its nice you’ve come down a little of Blueys tattoo pole, enough to acknowledge Raymond,had one of best lawyers in the state!now that’s something positive!

    28. pins on November 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
  29. The defense has painstakingly documented (over and over) their objection to the stunts the state has pulled and the actions and rulings of the judje against them have all duly been recorded. The defense has done a masterful job and they have had to somewhat alienate themsellves from the jury to do it - but in the long term - this conviction must be overturned or what is left of the legal bulwark of this nation will be annilated.

    And the only ones who will continue on as they always have will be people like the FLDS who believe they have a godgiven (governmentstolen) right to freely EXERCISE their religion. Because, from what I’ve seen and heard, putting these people in prison will never stop them-It only cements their confidence in their leaders and the things they’v told them.

    29. Christmas Jacobs on November 8th, 2009 at 12:58 am
  30. Better to fight this one on pure legal principle because:

    The defense can - LE from the local sheriffs office to the FBI have screwed up so completely.
    The prosecution’s case is as full of legal holes as swiss cheese. Everything from the way the evidence was gained, to the way the indictments were obtained, to the allowing of unqualified “expert” testimony, to the additional warrants used to obtain DNA, to the allowing in of priest protected (not sure of the right word right now) documents, to allowing a dissafected member with financial stakes involved to “authenticate” documents she had never seen, to allowing prejudicial references throughout the trial and then top it all off with “experts” who seek to further prejudice the jury with their own opinions about why the man’s RELIGION is the reason he should be required to serve a longer jail sentance.

    The precedent will protect parents all over the nation from rogue judgess who allow LE and CPS to use each other as sword and shield agencies to perform illegal searches etc.

    It forces the prosecution to put the key people involved in cooking up and carrying out the raid on the witness stand under oath (and NOT the FLDS).
    This protects additional FLDS members from legal action resulting from open court testimony (but forces the state to put their own players on the stasnd).

    The hypocrisy of the state is already apparent. Any thoughtful judge cannot help but compare the moral standards of the FLDS to their own society. Judges should also be more aware of the greater danger of rogue state action than the practice of illegalized religious beliefs.

    (I hope this ends up makinf any sense - I can only see a coupke dozen charectars on my phone screen - so sometimes my thoughts get rambly and scrambly)

    And lastly, they are protecting the chances of the men that follow by not admitting (by trying to explain why they don’t consider it morally wrongf) to any charge.

    30. Christmas Jacobs on November 8th, 2009 at 12:34 am
  31. Right. But, the way to get jury nullification is to point out to the jury that the law is wrong, and an unjust result will be achieved if it is applied and the defendant is found guilty.

    That’s why I earlier said, that in my opinion, the defense should be working the very real angle that the trial was about religious persecution.

    However, the defense, didn’t do this and tried the case on the elements of the law. No lawyer will be called incompetent for so arguing, but if the FLDS wants to win, they have to not only argue the elements of the law, but the fact that in this case the law is wrong.

    31. Bob on November 7th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
  32. A bit late for jury nullification. The jury has already done the bidding of the judge that signed the illegal warrant and stacked the case and the jury against the FLDS.

    32. zxcvbnm on November 7th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
  33. Nothing but the best when the big game is on the tube.

    I recently came across this,

    “14 And I will also ease the burdens which are put upon your shoulders, that even you cannot feel them upon your backs, even while you are in bondage; and this will I do that ye may stand as witnesses for me hereafter, and that ye may know of a surety that I, the Lord God, do visit my people in their afflictions” Mosiah 24:14

    So, there are purposes to these imprisonments, and to people like Carolyn and Beal- even though on the surface they seem like they’re not worth the time to read their names.

    33. WC on November 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
  34. Thanks for the EXCELLENT article!!! Very informative!

    34. JustMe on November 7th, 2009 at 11:38 am
  35. They still sell that stuff?

    Pabst was a little pricey. Most like Shop Rite or Kroger
    generic beer for our Eldoradians.

    35. Bill on November 7th, 2009 at 11:31 am
  36. With a Pabst Blue Ribbon in your hand and watching the OU/UT game, nonetheless.

    36. WC on November 7th, 2009 at 10:58 am

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