BARBIE TELLS JURY TO PACK THEIR BAGS, THEY’VE HEARD ENOUGH.

Barbie has decided there’s enough evidence against Raymond to convict and the jury needs to bring in their toothbrushes this morning in case they can’t find him guilty before bedtime tonight.

I guess she figures that the State can’t better it’s position anymore than it’s already done, and why waste time allowing the Defence to present useless rebuttal.

So what happened to the 60 witnesses the State called? How about Johnnie getting a hernia lugging around all that “Evidence” he was passing out like candy on Halloween to the dog whisperer?

No broken bones?

No long blond hairs?

No Bridal Beds?

No wedding pictures?

No caterer?

Not even a frozen piece of wedding cake?

I don’t blame barbie, if she can’t prove jurisdiction in 8 days, I guess she feels that the jury won’t know the difference and convict anyway. Why give Raymond the time to muddy up the manure pile, when it’s all laid out so nice and sweet smelling?

Barbie can close down the trial anytime she wants, but if she closes it down now, then I take back my bet that the Jury convicts. The Jury will be hung 7 to 5 and a mistrial will have to be declared.

We’ll have a new trial with a new Jury, but next time, sans the Hispanics who were actually waiting to be shown that the State had any jurisdiction to hear the case in the first place.

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I guess you’ve never heard of Ruby Ridge, Waco, Kent State.

The person who put it up apologized for the comment.

As for me, I have a son based out of Ft. Hood.

I think what occurred is disgusting, but if I say that, my Muslim brothers would get upset that I am picking on them.

Your government murders and tortures on a daily basis. THAT”S where your outrage SHOULD BE!

Do us a favor, shun this site.

1. Bill on November 7th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Anyone that would call for the murder of their fellow citizens, even in jest, is a traitor and should be hung.

Anyone that tolerates such comments on their blog is guilty of aiding a traitor and should be hung with the traitor.

Any decent person would shun such a blog.

2. Cincinnatius on November 7th, 2009 at 12:46 am
P.S. It’s too bad that Hasan didn’t shoot up Barbie’s court instead of Fort Hood.——————————————————–

I should not have said that, and I do apologize. I was angry because people were calling me names at the SLT. Regardless of what I say, they insult and degrade me. They seem to think they have the right to choose my friends. There is only so much I can take before I lose my temper.

Please bear in mind that my husband was stationed at Fort Hood for 8 years. We lived about a mile from the post. My youngest daughter was and my grandchildren were born at the Darnell Army Hospital. The photos and videos shown on tv and internet are of the city where I raised my children, so everything looks very familiar. The massacre at Fort Hood has upset my entire family.

What has upset the kids the most is that we have known since Sept. 11 that it was only a matter of time before Fort Hood was attacked. I’m grateful that we were transferred, but my girls are frightened. I will have to sit down and have a long talk with them about why it happened.

3. Cupcake on November 6th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The quote in my post was from Cupcakes post.

4. * on November 6th, 2009 at 3:27 am
“P.S. It’s too bad Hasan didn’t shoot up Barbie’s court instead of Fort Hood.”

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I worry about something like this happening not with the current FLDS adults but with the children taken during the raid.

One things for sure, those kids are going to be absolute fanatics about their religion.

I’m not sure those kids are going to be as peaceful as their parents.

5. * on November 6th, 2009 at 3:25 am
Cupcake,

I understand your feelings. The past 20 months has been a roller coaster ride, with it’s ups and downs, and dealing with the dreck of Texas has not been a picnic. They live in the sewers, and after a time, you end up smelling like them.

Having been to their Gladiator schools, I not only survived, I beat them at their own game. They have nothing left to scare me with, and they know it.

You’re in my address book, and when we need a voice or a signature, I’ll give you a shout.

My best,

:)) GB

6. Bill on November 6th, 2009 at 12:12 am
Bill,

You know I’ve always said you are like Schlinder of Schlinder’s List.

I tried very hard to keep an open mind before the trial because I believe in the presumption of innocence. But I can’t stand the hate that the Kindred Spirits constantly spew at us. I am not used to dealing with such hate. When they aren’t accusing us of defending child molesters, they are making derogatory, degrading comments about us. It makes me depressed.

Have you read their books? I have. Their books are sheer pornography.

Yes, I know they are basically a pack of animals. I would not be choose to be friends with any of them.

So I think I am going to step back for awhile. Regroup and get re-energized. All of you will be in my thoughts and prayers. I’ll be back when I feel better.

P.S. It’s too bad Hasan didn’t shoot up Barbie’s court instead of Fort Hood.

7. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I wish I could walk away, but I just won’t abide a pogrom against anybody.

8. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Where do you think you’re going, Cupcake? This is just getting started. :-))))

These guys have my respect for what they are going through. I don’t know any of them, but my prayers go out to them and I hope they are comforted.

9. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
I don’t think I am going to read the SLT or follow Brooke’s stories any more because we had to put up with so much abuse from the Kindred Spirits. I tried very hard to keep an open mind before the trial because I believe in the presumption of innocence. But all they ever did was (1) accuse us of supporting child molesters or (2) make derogatory, degrading comments about us. I certainly would not want to be friends with any of them.

I see no point in watching the rest of the trials because the endings are too predictable.

Bill, I hope that you will take the threats that TBM made to you very seriously. Print them. Take them to the police. Get a restraining order against him if you have to. Don’t let him harm you or your family.

I hope the rest of you will have happy lives. I enjoyed chatting with you. I wish you the best of luck.

10. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Duane has a point. Teenaged girls can get abortions without their parents’ knowledge or permission in the United States.

11. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
The end I expected, the means to reach it is my biggest complaint. It is not justified in any way.

12. kent on November 5th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
My mother gave birth to my older brother when she was 16, nowadays it is considered a “horrendous crime”. In most states a 16 year old can consent to sex with someone at any age.
Was there a ruling that the defense couldn’t bring up the many jurisdictions where sex with a 16 year old is perfectly legal?
No wonder why the abortion rate among young women is so high.

13. duaneh on November 5th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Yeah, send Stevens and Goldstein home- what’s the point.

14. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Texas–it’s like a whole other country….

15. krikker on November 5th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
I’m not sure if I want to continue watching the trials. They will end the same way.

16. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I hope all of Raymond’s wives go down to Social Services and sign up for assistance since the State, in its great wisdom, has locked up their husband, the father of their children, and the breadwinner.

I know they won’t do it. But I sure would like to see them do it so that Texas KEEPS paying for their stupidity. They can support Raymond and all the wives and children.

I agree with the rest - it was not a surprise at all that Raymond was convicted. He never stood a chance in Walther’s court. None of the men will have a fair hearing in her courtroom.

But, I sure hope the State continues to pay the attorneys to convict. Run that bill up!

Make Texas pay for their religious persecution.

As always - I thank God DAILY that I don’t live in Texas!!

17. Chai Tea on November 5th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
As far as I’m concerned, the prosecutor’s saying that the little girl is the evidence of the terrible crime of sexual assault is emotional child abuse. It was a sick, sick, sick thing to say.

18. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
This has left me ery angry. Those bigots were in a rush to convict. This is a sad day for religious liberty.

19. THOMAS on November 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Well, I knew from the moment that the indictments were announced that the FLDS men were going to be convicted.

I tried to keep an open mind and presume Raymond Jessop was innocent until the guilty verdict was announced. But the prosecution’s evidence was greater than the defense’s.

1) The DNA evidence was pretty damning.
2) The defense did not provide enough evidence that sexual contact occurred outside of Texas. (There probably would have been a charge of violating the Mann Act added if the defense did provide that evidence.)
3) The defense couldn’t even claim that Janet was an emanicipated minor because her first husband was legally married to someone else. (But emanicipated minors can’t consent to sex with anyone except their legal husbands in Texas.

Perhaps if Janet had taken the stand and told the jury that she did not consider herself to be a victim of sexual assault, things might have been different.

20. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
He was found guilty of being a fundamentalist Mormon following his faith. The rest was just an excuse.

21. Bob on November 5th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
That piece of garbage used the child as a weapon thinking absolutely nothing about how it would, or would not effect her. He could give a shit less.

Raymond’s family will be taken care of and enveloped into the community just as William, his brother had his family taken care of after he died.

Raymond will return home, and they will be there waiting for him.

22. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Well, the reality is the verdict was handed down months ago when the tanks were rolling. There was no way to get a fair trial there.

23. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
To me, the worst thing the prosecutor did was say that the child was “the snow on the ground, the water on the ground, of the terrible crime of sexual assault.”

What a terrible thing for the child to grow up hearing and believing! That statement will effect the little girl’s self-esteem for life. I don’t think these Texans have hearts at all.

24. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Jury found him guilty. No surprise, the verdict will be appealed, and the conviction will be overturned.

25. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Does anyone know what is Texas’ average sentence for sexual assault of a child?

26. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
If they feel they are not close to a verdict, they will stay at it until dinner time, 6 to 7 and then go to the hotel for the night.

Texas jury’s are famous for very short debate time. They like to hang them quick.

It took the Mineola jury 5 minutes to find them guilty.

27. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Let us not forget that Raymond, and several other men are indicted for “Bigamy”. Texas apparently feels that he WAS married to several women, so who are we to say they are wrong?

They can’t have it both ways,; either they’re married, or they’re not married.

28. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
How late does a jury stay up for, I wonder?

29. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Several of the KS have stated that Janet was not legally married to Raymond’s brother — that Raymond’s brother is legally married to someone else.

I cannot find any evidence showing that Janet’s marriage to Raymond’s brother was a legal marriage.

Therefore, she probably would not be an emancipated minor as we thought.

30. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
There’s no need to go back too far in history. Waco is a pretty good example. Those people were roasted to death for believing in the “Wrong” religion.

31. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I did not know she was previously married. According to barbie, she was and she was married when she moved to Texas. Then she got divorced, and re married Raymond.

Still, she was 16, and the good old boys at the time were still playing with their 14 year olds, so that makes Raymond considerably less of a pervert than the good old boys.

If we’re going to imprison all men who knock up 16 year olds, we better start building real fast. Texas doesn’t have to look far, check the local high schools.

32. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Sorry for getting off topic abit.

33. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
WC:

It’s funny you should say that.

I enjoy reading about medieval history. Shortly before the raid, I read several books about how the Spanish treated Jews during the Spanish Inquisition. During the Spanish Inquisition, Judiasm and Islam were prohibited.

When a family was accused of secretly practicing Judiasm, the first thing the Spanish authorities did was take their children and place them with good Catholic families. Then they murdered the children’s parents. They often burned them at the stake.

The Spanish did the same thing to Protestants.

34. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Bill:

Please clarify this. Was Janet legally married to her first husband? Or was her first husband legally married to someone else?

35. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I’m watching “Ancient Torture Technology” on the history channel. I guess a few years in jail for living your religion isn’t bad considering what they used to do to early Christians.

36. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
It looks like the shooters were Muslim moles.

One guy was a major.

37. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Very interesting. Texas had a chance to make it right.

38. Christmas Jacobs on November 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Lt. Gen on base says all shooters (3) are soldiers.

39. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
They are appealing for blood of all types from public in area of Ft. Hood.

40. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
12 killed, 31 wounded

41. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
There are now 9 dead and 20 wounded. I man in custody.

I’m praying for a hung jury, but my heart tells me we’re dealing with Texas, so a speedy Appeal is his best option.

Barbie isn’t likely to grant bail on Appeal, he’s a very dangerous man she thinks, I’m sure.

42. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
My husband is in the army. He says that something really crazy has happened in Texas this afternoon. Apparently, there have been shootings at Fort Hood. My husband says that one report says there are seven dead. One report says that there are 12 wounded; another says that there are 20 wounded. The entire post is locked down. They don’t know if the shooters are civilians or soldiers.

Strangely, the shootings seemed to occur about the time deliberations began.

43. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
When the Judge decides that he or she has heard quite enough, only a very stupid lawyer will keep calling witnesses. Barbie says quit, and can make it extremely problematic if Steven’s tries to do otherwise.

That’s not really true. You call your witnesses and if the Judge says much in front of the jury you’ve got a good ground for appeal. Your job as defense counsel is to not just to present your case but also to create or preserve grounds for an appeal. You aren’t going to have any grounds to complain unless you try to call the witness first.

However, in the Jessop case, it’s pretty clear that Stevens elected not to call any witnesses and that was a strategy he chose that had nothing to do with “Barbie.”

44. Ron in Houston on November 5th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I vote hung jury.

45. WC on November 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Ron is right. If the defense didn’t put on any witnesses, it was their call, not the Judge’s. That being said, I have no doubt the jury will come back with a guilty verdict.

46. Riki on November 5th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
The SLT is reporting that deliberations have begun.

47. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
THEORETICALLY, Ron is quite correct. However, we also need to keep some other gems in mind, like,

“The Defendant is an innocent man unless proven guilty”.

Barbie has already decided that 465 children on the Ranch were abused and neglected, so it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out where she is coming from.

As for being Steven’s call, not quite. When the Judge decides that he or she has heard quite enough, only a very stupid lawyer will keep calling witnesses. Barbie says quit, and can make it extremely problematic if Steven’s tries to do otherwise.

I don’t think the Prosecution or barbie has proven jurisdiction beyond a reasonable doubt. I don’t think the Jury will see it that way, but I know that the Appeals Court will. (Unless they hang).

Once the Prosecution rest’s, I would escort Janet into the Courtroom and have her sit behind her husband. Seeing the “Child” will be worth 100 witnesses, and she will have every right to be there since she is no longer a witness to anything.

48. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Does TBM live in Abilene, Texas — off Nonesuch Road too?

49. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Alright guys - cool your jets - you’re reading way too much into this situation. Here’s how it works:

“Barbie” gets no say so in who gets called. If an objection is made to a witness she can deal with that, but the defense gets to call as many witnesses as they feel they need.

For “Barbie” to say that the jury may get the case means that she’s asked Steven’s about his case. She’s asked him how many witnesses he’ll call and his estimate of how long the witnesses will take. Sounds to me like Stevens is not going to call too many witnesses.

I can think of a number of reasons not to call any FLDS members as witnesses. So, about the only other witness he’d have would be a rebuttal DNA expert. I guess we’ll see if he calls one of those, but I suspect after the State rests that Stevens will call at most 1 or 2 witnesses. He may elect not to call any witnesses. However if no witnesses are called that was 100% Stevens and 0% “Barbie.”

50. Ron in Houston on November 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Barbie is much too spiteful, vindictive and consumed with hatred to delay gratification.

She wants a conviction, and does not care if it is overturned, since she can blame it all on the Court of Appeals and wash her hands of the blood of the children.

If the Jury is hung, you can expect Nichols to be toast and another sacrificial lamb to take his place.

If he is not convicted, you can expect Texas to be begging the Feds to railroad the men into Federal prison on RICO charges.

That’s going to get expensive, and I vote that Texas pays the Legal bills of the FLDS through Judgements against CPS, CASA and the State for the abuse and neglect of the children and mothers.

51. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Christmas,

I really enjoyed your post, especially the part about Rebecca Musser not being the right person to authenicate the records from the YFZ ranch.

I thought that I read that Rebecca West was the person that LE used to get information about the FLDS for the raid. That she knew the FLDS were planning to store their records inside their temple suggests to me that LE did not enter the FLDS temple to look for an abused child as they claim. I think that LE entered the temple to look for the church records because Rebecca told them that was where they would most likely be stored. She probably told LE that the records would contain information about marriages, births, etc.

I thought Warren was foolish to keep his dictations and the church records inside the FLDS temple, especially after he went on the lam. But Rebecca’s testimony suggests that this was part of a long term plan made before Warren ever became the prophet.

52. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Since most appeals that are successful are often sent back to be tried again, maybe that is the goal here - time & money wasted by the FLDS.

Imagine that approach… which seems to fit in with the UEP case also.

53. kent on November 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Same e mail address and same IP number. If someone’s pretending to be the whackjob, they’re using her computer to do it.

My investigator says that the computer is located in Abilene, Tx, right off Nonesuch Rd.

54. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I just had another thought about Rebecca:

During Warren Jeffs trial (and I’m getting this info from Brooke), Musser testified that she came to realize after her marriage to Rulon, that the placement marriages were not “of God”, but something the prophet just “decided”. It was “dinnertable converstion”.

Now she gets on the witness stand in TX and testifies the records are accurate because the prophet is “responsible to God”.

Trent’s blog of Warren’s utah trial also offers insight into the contrast of her and Elissa’s testimony and the several other truly FLDS women who were called to testify. They claimed completely opposite stories regarding church council on marriage relationships - but the jury just could not get past Rebecca’s glamorous fur and purr - (and their own inclinations) and recognize her lies for what they are.

55. Christmas Jacobs on November 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Are you sure an imposter isn’t pretending to be Mandy? Those posts don’t sound like Mandy to me.

56. Cupcake on November 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I wonder how it affected the jury to see how their government blasted man size holes into the most sacred and religious places of american citizens. Does the prosecution really think that kind of testimony along with pictures of smiling mothers and happy children (until LE n CPS came along) really helps a jury believe Texas has really got this girls’ interest (or the rest of TX citizens) at heart.

How can it help TX to put one of the most vindictive enemies of the church on a government witness stand to “authenticate” the most sacred records the religion has ? Do the jurors have the critical thinking skills to see past the soft kitty cat to her razor claws?

How can this woman claim to authenticate records she’s never seen. I don’t believe she even saw them in her previous marriage if they were so secret not even the prophet’s wives knew about them - not to mention that she also testified women were so browbwaten they could not do anything without the consent of the men. I don’t believe she knew anything about them until LE put their leacherous paws on them and drug them thru the mud to her lair to get her twisted interpretation.

I read the court transcript of Walther’s infamous 14 day hearing. When an attorney asked the judge if she was just allowing this raid because the FLDS were an unpopular religion, she hastened to assure them that she would do the same to any church accused of abuse. I hope this comforts the citizens of her jurisdiction.

57. Christmas Jacobs on November 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
No need to protect me, but I appreciate the thought.

I left her filth up there to show everyone the kinds of minds the C.S. have.

This is identical to all the fantasies dreamed up by Kemp in Mineola, CPS on the Ranch, and CPS in Arkansas.

We’re dealing with very sick and twisted people and the more they are allowed to rant and rave, the more obvious their dementia becomes.

58. Bill on November 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
EDIT:

This message was not altered by Bill.

Mandy, you need to calm down there.

59. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
EDIT:

This message was not altered by Bill.

Mandy, you need to calm down there.

60. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
**** You, You obstinate ******* FELON

(Mandy sure likes to cuss. Short on meds?)

61. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Kent, don’t forget that Becky Musser was one of the ones pushing Elissa to get married.

62. Riki on November 5th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I’m sorry, they used Becky Musser to authenticate priesthood records???? You mean to tell me they couldn’t dig up one of the many men Warren kicked out to do that?

63. Riki on November 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
As a hispanic,, please stop using us as your scape goat! We don’t believe in marrying off our children underage anymore than any other race!

Why should we bother marrying them when we can just get them pregnant and abandon them and come to America!

64. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Just for you Bill, Im hispanic, and El Dorado…

Learn to spell sweetie, it’s Eldorado.

65. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Anybody seen Barry Mainilow?

66. Mandy on November 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“I also thought they defense would present at least some
evidence.”

It’s not quite over yet. Stevens prolly considered what the state has NOT shown and what doors he does NOT want to open by presenting evidence. The state can also put on rebuttal witnesses, so I’d imagine Stevens has to be careful deciding what doors he could open.

Much of what would be presented in rebuttal is NOT shared in discovery and walther has showed us she opens the door wide for the prosecution.

I’m not sure how it could affect the other cases (11) to follow, if they do.

67. kent on November 5th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Jam Inn,

Go to the Blues man if you want that “expert” on predictions.

His prediction was that walther would keep the kids after an appeal.

************
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Back to Musser, the “expert”
http://166.70.44.68/blogs/plurallife/2009/11/rmj-trial-day-eight/
“>Brooke’s blog;
” Stevens: “Have you ever, once in your life, attend a priesthood meeting?’
Musser: “No, sir.”

… Prosecutor Eric Nichols turned Musser back to what she knew about priesthood training. She said that “as a woman you have no direct connection to God” except through the priesthood and its trainings.

…Musser also said that the FLDS were taught that all the records would someday be kept in a temple, when there was one. Meantime, in Rulon Jeffs’ home, records were kept in a “secret room. They didn’t even like us wives to know about it.”

… she spent three days at the ranch during last April’s investigation and toured the vault in the Temple Annex. The only record she recognized there was “my wedding album.”

… Musser described asking Warren Jeffs once why he was always taking notes. “He said because I am accountable to God for the counsel I give to people.”

… Stevens wanted to know whether Musser had first-hand knowledge of any of the documents that state had asked her to authenticate — had she been present when the record was created, know who created it or when?
“There is a chance that I have. I have seen so many things,” she said.

From all accounts of the testimony reported, mostly Brooke, it reads like Musser flat out told the court she was NOT such and, even more so, just how the majority of the dictations of Warren are church records he recorded for God.

Outside of the “Statements of births, marriages, divorces, deaths, legitimacy, ancestry, relationship by blood or marriage, or other similar facts of personal or family history”, I’m lost as to how walther would even dare allow the records in. It seemed to go just a bit farther, as Musser presented a narrative which made ALL male members look like evil, controlling men and the women all victims held hostage.

Another note; It has been wrote that Musser was married at 18 & 19 YO. This was when a younger age was legal. Conflicts with the mindset on that topic the authorities and Dan’s crowd promote constantly to the media about “child brides”, a topic in this trial.

68. kent on November 5th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I thought State would have put on a better case

After all, this is the first of their high profile cases-
they really couldn’t take a chance on a hung jury.

I also thought they defense would present at least some
evidence. Something - like showing Raymond living
in UT - something.

I stopped trying to predict what will happen in this case.

It’s so strange.

70. * on November 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Bill:
No broken bones?
No long blond hairs?
No Bridal Beds?

—
And no rape beds, no dead babies, no crematorium, no meth lab, no lost boys, no exodus of women and children wanting out. All they have left is a weak circumstantial case, cobbled together at great expense and by trashing the constitution, to show the world–they hope–that they’re not utter dimwits.

71. Julie on November 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Why Bill not all of the testimony has even been given yet. Why so glum? Your not exactly an expert on predicting guilt or innocence, right?

72. Jam Inn on November 5th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

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