Free the FLDS Children - AKA The Freedom Liberty Defenders Society

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1. Pins,

   I don’t like going to that site either. The people who post there are a particularly nasty group who viciously attack anyone who disagrees with them.

   I liked one woman posted there, even though I disagreed with her views. She claimed to be a Christian. I thought her views were based on her religion, as I know many traditional Christians hate Joseph Smith and Mormonism.

   But then I got to thinking. Would a true Christian say nothing if she knew that her pals were doing something that was vindictive, spiteful or mean-spirited? My mother taught me that two wrongs don’t make a right. If that woman thought the FLDS or the FLDS supporters had done something wrong, wouldn’t a true Christian object if one of her pals did something wrong for revenge? The woman wasn’t a true Christian. She was just as ordinary bigot.

   1. Cupcake on November 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm

2. If you were in a completely dark room with light outside, a person standing in the door would look very dark. The KSers are in the dark looking out at the light and everyone else looks very dark. Maybe they should walk out into the light before they judge (if only they would).

   2. JustMe on November 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm

3. Pins: it isn’t a sad site, It is a sick site.

   3. MV on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm

4. Cupcake, No offense

   4. pins on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:17 am

5. I don’t want to say anything bad about Mary MacKert because I don’t know the woman. I’ve never met her. I don’t know anything about her except what I have read on the internet or in anti-FLDS books.

   The Baptists believe that Mormonism is a cult. It does not matter if you are LDS or FLDS. They believe that all Mormon churches or sects are cults.

   I know this because I used to live in Georgia. Many of my classmates were Baptists. When I told them I was a Mormon, they told me that Mormonism is a cult. They invited my family to attend their church. I thought what they said about Mormonism was insulting. I wasn’t interested in converting to their religion, so I politely declined their invitation.

   5. Cupcake on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 am

6. There is a poster on the insane site who gushes over Carolyn.

   I have wondered if the same poster doesn’t work for Carolyn’s or Ellisa’a publishing company.

   6. * on November 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 am

7. I don’t want to offend Linda Lamb, but I am being honest.

   When the state approved of using Baptist church buses to transfer the FLDS children, the state was indicating that the Baptist church was the preferred religion. Transferring children whose families practice one religion and placing them with families that practice a preferred religion is a form of genocide and is against the laws of the Geneva convention.

   That is why I believe that the state should have chartered private, secular buses to transfer the FLDS children.

   I am a mainstream Mormon. If the state forced my children on a Baptist bus, I would have thrown a screaming fit. I probably would have been taken to jail for standing up for my family’s right to religious freedom.

   7. Cupcake on November 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 pm

8. Pins:

   I think it is important for you to understand that not all of “gentiles” hate the FLDS. Some of us are tolerant and open-minded.

   8. Cupcake on November 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm

9. I’d like to “Poke them”, but not quite with a stick.

   I found this little piece cruising the archives. My good friend )(I hope), Linda Lamb says that I am after the Baptist’s and there’s no reason to be. I am not after all Baptist’s, but there are a few I’d like to crucify.

   This thing Mary Mackert comes from Canada. She couldn’t make it in the FLDS, so she converted, and now wants everyone else to join her. I don’t think so!

   Leave those kids alone
   If being separated from their mothers and put in foster care weren’t bad enough for the FLDS kids, now the Baptists are trying to get their hooks in them.

   Brian West at the Deseret News reports that Mary Mackert, a former FLDS plural wife born again as a Baptist, is doing her thing in Texas. Mackert is telling Baptist congregations:

   ” I am a missionary to the polygamous people. God called me to the FLDS. … Not only did he save me, but he brought me to a point where I fell in love with my (FLDS) people and their need for the Lord.”

   Mackert is asking Texas authorities for all the FLDS kids they can deliver. A Baptist congregation in Fort Worth will buy her a house to care for them (read: convert).

   First He’s telling FLDS geezers to take multiple child brides, then He’s calling loons like Mackert as Baptist missionaries. I wish God would figure out what he wants, then stay on message.

   Now this is clearly a nutball lady, but even nuttier is the fact that the State of Texas actually agreed to hand over the children to the Baptist’s.

   They promised Arrow Children’s Services to go out and hire a hundred people and put these kids on the adoption block to make millions of bucks.

   Mary knew where to get the best reaction, and she went straight to the Baptist’s.

   9. Bill on November 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm

10. Yeah, Bill, but when they show up here, it’s fun pokin’ ‘em with a stick.

    10. Riki on November 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm

11. Pins my friend,

    Even going to that porn site or naming them gives them attention, which is what they seek. The site is made up of LE and CPS dreck who know they cannot obtain satisfaction legally, so they post stuff they stole out of the Ranch to try to “Poison the well”.

    They have an audience of themselves on the net, and cannot attract a following beyond their narrow minded and bigoted base.

    The best solution is to “Answer them not”. Shun them and isolate them, and let them rail against the wind if that makes them happy. They are not worthy of your time.

    11. Bill on November 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 pm

12. Can’t step forward with a case unless you have a client.

    12. Riki on November 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm

13. With all this talk on this site about getting lawyers and sueing CPS nothing has been done as of yet.

    With all the lawyers that were citeing the illegality of the raid aand or the illegality of the childrens quasi imprisonment not one has stepped forward with a case.

    Does anyone know of even one lawsuit filed concerning the CPS and their treatment of the FLDS?

    What is everyone waiting for? Lawsuits abound in Colorado- Arizona in relation to property……..but not one case has been filed in relation to the civil rights violations committed by CPS……………

    13. zxcvbnm on November 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pm

14. Bill

    There are a number of potential damages in the case you cited. You’re also correct in that assuming that insurance would pay any recovery against some particular individual.

    The reason lawyers require up front payment on these cases is that with the issues of governmental immunity and the difficulty in getting these cases into court, they are not economically viable contingency cases.

    14. Ron in Houston on November 2nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm

15. Just in case some C.S. will be sitting on the jury,
    consider this:

    After the birth of her baby, Dan Jessop knew his wife was sleeping on the floor. He went out and brought a brand new crib, so that the baby at least had something to sleep in.

    He offered it to CPS to bring to Louisa.

    THEY REFUSED TO ALLOW HIM TO GIVE THEM THE CRIB!

    We’re not dealing here just with “The system”; we’re dealing with vindictive and purposely spiteful people when they have to take out their anger and hated against a newborn baby.

    15. Bill on November 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm

16. ok, LET’S TEST THAT;

    Take Loisa Jessop’s, whose 3 children were kidnapped and abused to the point of hospitalization for over two weeks.

    Then you have Louisa hesrself, who was kept as a “Child” for two month’s, being told when to go to bed and when to get up, what to eat, and prevented from seeing her other children.

    She had to have her baby in a shelter, because CPS refused to take her to a hospital. @ hours later, she sat on a chair in a CPS office in San Antonio, with her newborn. 12 hours later, they delivered her and her baby to a foster home and she then slept on the floor with her baby until a judge ordered her released along with all the rest of her family, forbiding CPS to interfere.

    As soon as the baby was born, CPS took custody of the baby, and told her she was free to go, she was no longer considered a disputed minor. This, after no additional proof was offered to CPS or CASA than they already had in their hands.

    Now, how much would you sue the Insurance company for?

    16. Bill on November 2nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm

17. I certainly never said you CAN’T sue them. It is just very difficult and quite expensive. Malpractice insurance for CPS doesn’t really help much to make a case viable because you still have to break their immunity.

    I’d sue CPS on a contingency for a client in a heartbeat if I thought I could make money on the deal.

    17. Ron in Houston on November 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

18. A few years ago, I worked at a nursing
    home in Texas. CPS brought a mentally ill,
    disabled teenaged girl to live at our
    facility after someone called CPS and
    told them her father was molesting her.
    The girl lived at our facility while CPS
    was investigating the complaints about
    her father.

    Our facility was different than most
    nursing homes because about 75% of
    our residents were men. Mentally ill men.
    In fact, one of our residents was a mentally
    retarded pedophile who had been kicked
    out of a good many nursing homes in Texas.
    The staff had to monitor the pedophile because
    he had a habit of loitering around the girl’s
    room when she was in bed. When he was
    instructed to leave the area, he would grumble,
    “A man’s got to have sex.”

    Eventually, our in-house social worker arranged
    to transfer the pedophile to another nursing
    home.

    It’s hard to believe that CPS would send a
    teenaged girl to live with a pedophile, but
    they did.

    18. Cupcake on November 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 pm