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	<title>Comments on: 3 DAYS OF GRANDSTANDING INSTEAD OF JUST ASKING IF THE BABY IS HIS.</title>
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		<title>By: blondie</title>
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		<dc:creator>blondie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like older men, personally!</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cupcake: I was speaking in broad general terms about human psychology.  There are, no doubt, millions and millions of women who do not fear losing their husbands, and my point wasn't really about women fearing losing their husbands, but rather it was about the natural human reaction to getting older.  We all--male or female-- understand that we were better looking, stronger, had more energy, etc. when we were young, and we all know that, just as with all living things, that's the way of nature, and we know that we can't turn back the clock. The resentment some feel is often a subtle and subconscious thing and it can be manipulated to the disadvantage of the defendant in this case. That was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cupcake: I was speaking in broad general terms about human psychology.  There are, no doubt, millions and millions of women who do not fear losing their husbands, and my point wasn&#8217;t really about women fearing losing their husbands, but rather it was about the natural human reaction to getting older.  We all&#8211;male or female&#8211; understand that we were better looking, stronger, had more energy, etc. when we were young, and we all know that, just as with all living things, that&#8217;s the way of nature, and we know that we can&#8217;t turn back the clock. The resentment some feel is often a subtle and subconscious thing and it can be manipulated to the disadvantage of the defendant in this case. That was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I agree with about the Catch 22.

About older women being afraid of losing their men to younger women... 

It depends upon how secure a woman feels about herself and about her marriage. I am a grandmother, but I never worry about losing my husband to another woman. Never. My husband knows he is lucky to have me.

I believe that jealousy stems from insecurity. Insecure women might be afraid of losing their husbands to younger women.  Basically, the antipolygamy crowd plays on other womens' fears and insecurities by suggesting that their husbands might want to bring other women into their marriages if polygamy becomes legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I agree with about the Catch 22.</p>
<p>About older women being afraid of losing their men to younger women&#8230; </p>
<p>It depends upon how secure a woman feels about herself and about her marriage. I am a grandmother, but I never worry about losing my husband to another woman. Never. My husband knows he is lucky to have me.</p>
<p>I believe that jealousy stems from insecurity. Insecure women might be afraid of losing their husbands to younger women.  Basically, the antipolygamy crowd plays on other womens&#8217; fears and insecurities by suggesting that their husbands might want to bring other women into their marriages if polygamy becomes legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some wonder why the bigamy charge is being put off to later.  The answer is probably because the prosecution sees a Catch 22 possiblity.

You see, if the state went first with bigamy and claimed that the two were married, but that the defendant was also married to others at the same time, then the state has admitted a marriage. And, sex in marriage with a wife of 16 is legal (and if she was younger than 16, the jury might still focus on the fact that they were married and not convict for statutory rape).

Also, it is likely, that if the prosecution proved bigamy, that the jury would nullify the bigamy law, or on appeal the Texas law on bigamy would be ruled unconstitutional.

So, what the prosecution is now trying to do is provoke a visceral reaction (most often found in female jurors) about a "much older man taking advantage" of a much younger and prettier woman.  

Honestly,folks, we have to get into human psychology here to understand what is going on.  Aren't most of us aware that as some women (say, on the jury) get older, that they fear losing their men to younger women and that they often resent men (in general) for that? 

Isn't our literature full of references to "dirty old men,"and "old goats" and "lecherous old men"? That literature reflects a certain psychological attitude in our society concerning age differences in marriages, that the prosecution wants to use to its advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some wonder why the bigamy charge is being put off to later.  The answer is probably because the prosecution sees a Catch 22 possiblity.</p>
<p>You see, if the state went first with bigamy and claimed that the two were married, but that the defendant was also married to others at the same time, then the state has admitted a marriage. And, sex in marriage with a wife of 16 is legal (and if she was younger than 16, the jury might still focus on the fact that they were married and not convict for statutory rape).</p>
<p>Also, it is likely, that if the prosecution proved bigamy, that the jury would nullify the bigamy law, or on appeal the Texas law on bigamy would be ruled unconstitutional.</p>
<p>So, what the prosecution is now trying to do is provoke a visceral reaction (most often found in female jurors) about a &#8220;much older man taking advantage&#8221; of a much younger and prettier woman.  </p>
<p>Honestly,folks, we have to get into human psychology here to understand what is going on.  Aren&#8217;t most of us aware that as some women (say, on the jury) get older, that they fear losing their men to younger women and that they often resent men (in general) for that? </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t our literature full of references to &#8220;dirty old men,&#8221;and &#8220;old goats&#8221; and &#8220;lecherous old men&#8221;? That literature reflects a certain psychological attitude in our society concerning age differences in marriages, that the prosecution wants to use to its advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's good that the defense is making the prosecution prove every single element of their case.  That's just good lawyering. 

Hopefully, the defense will call some real experts on DNA who can tell a non-expert jury that DNA research is in its infancy.  

DNA was only discovered in 1953, and there are many questions about it that still remain. The general and popular information about DNA can mislead non-experts and experts alike.  

For example, if a juror understands that all human beings are about 99% the same genetically, then what is he or she to think about probabilities of a man being a father when the results come back as a 99% probability. Even when a probability is 99.88888%, this would cover hundreds of thousands or even millions of men on the planet.  Perhaps some doubt would enter the mind of the juror?

Also, and this is something that needs more scientific investigation, but have you noticed how we're constantly reading about this or that rapist who has been released from prision because the rapist's DNA, taken from the victim, NOW shows that he's not the rapist?

Frankly, this is happening so much, that a reasonable person might wonder about minute, perhaps spontaneous, changes in the DNA samples that happen while they're being stored.  The fact is that the DNA in our bodies is changing all the time.  

So, if the DNA does change in some way, does it then change such that it may indicate another man is the rapist when, in fact, the original suspect who was jailed really is the rapist?

And, what of the DNA of a distinct people that is even closer than the DNA found in 99% of humanity?  Clearly, the DNA of the FLDS people is much closer to that of each other than it is to others who are not part of the FLDS society.  There is very little "new" DNA entering the FLDS society.

So, who is the father?  The prosecution has to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this or that man is the father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good that the defense is making the prosecution prove every single element of their case.  That&#8217;s just good lawyering. </p>
<p>Hopefully, the defense will call some real experts on DNA who can tell a non-expert jury that DNA research is in its infancy.  </p>
<p>DNA was only discovered in 1953, and there are many questions about it that still remain. The general and popular information about DNA can mislead non-experts and experts alike.  </p>
<p>For example, if a juror understands that all human beings are about 99% the same genetically, then what is he or she to think about probabilities of a man being a father when the results come back as a 99% probability. Even when a probability is 99.88888%, this would cover hundreds of thousands or even millions of men on the planet.  Perhaps some doubt would enter the mind of the juror?</p>
<p>Also, and this is something that needs more scientific investigation, but have you noticed how we&#8217;re constantly reading about this or that rapist who has been released from prision because the rapist&#8217;s DNA, taken from the victim, NOW shows that he&#8217;s not the rapist?</p>
<p>Frankly, this is happening so much, that a reasonable person might wonder about minute, perhaps spontaneous, changes in the DNA samples that happen while they&#8217;re being stored.  The fact is that the DNA in our bodies is changing all the time.  </p>
<p>So, if the DNA does change in some way, does it then change such that it may indicate another man is the rapist when, in fact, the original suspect who was jailed really is the rapist?</p>
<p>And, what of the DNA of a distinct people that is even closer than the DNA found in 99% of humanity?  Clearly, the DNA of the FLDS people is much closer to that of each other than it is to others who are not part of the FLDS society.  There is very little &#8220;new&#8221; DNA entering the FLDS society.</p>
<p>So, who is the father?  The prosecution has to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this or that man is the father.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully, the SLT will soon crack the whip too so that reading the newspaper will be enjoyable to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, the SLT will soon crack the whip too so that reading the newspaper will be enjoyable to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Riki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Cupcake, you must understand that now that Brooke has cracked the whip over at her blog, the KSers now have to find real jobs since they can only post once per blog entry &#38; all replies are screened.  Having your major income stream interrupted like that has got to hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Cupcake, you must understand that now that Brooke has cracked the whip over at her blog, the KSers now have to find real jobs since they can only post once per blog entry &amp; all replies are screened.  Having your major income stream interrupted like that has got to hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: pins</title>
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		<dc:creator>pins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB, is a good man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB, is a good man!</p>
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		<title>By: Cupcake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupcake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Rikki, the K.S. are always trying to infiltrate Bill's blog. Remember when they were coming over here pretending to be Diesel and me? That was funny because they didn't realize that we were onto them. And they said stuff that I would never say! LOL.

Because this is one blog that they can't control, it drives them crazy. They can't say anything negative about the FLDS here. They can't attack the people who post here. That is why they are viciously attacking Bill now. I hate to break them, but Bill has friends who like and respect him. Personally, I couldn't care less what the K.S. say about him. 

I don't know if TBM has a drinking problem or not. But if he does, I hope he joins A.A. Too many Indians have died of alcoholism and/or drug addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Rikki, the K.S. are always trying to infiltrate Bill&#8217;s blog. Remember when they were coming over here pretending to be Diesel and me? That was funny because they didn&#8217;t realize that we were onto them. And they said stuff that I would never say! LOL.</p>
<p>Because this is one blog that they can&#8217;t control, it drives them crazy. They can&#8217;t say anything negative about the FLDS here. They can&#8217;t attack the people who post here. That is why they are viciously attacking Bill now. I hate to break them, but Bill has friends who like and respect him. Personally, I couldn&#8217;t care less what the K.S. say about him. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if TBM has a drinking problem or not. But if he does, I hope he joins A.A. Too many Indians have died of alcoholism and/or drug addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: pins</title>
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		<dc:creator>pins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry bout that, I meant to say  
 
Justsayin we aren't interested in you digging the files of WSJ! Plz respect other ppls privacy! 
Have we forgotten this is American!!! That we can have freedom of reglion! And not.....have some noisy beast down your neck checkin your DNA. Or to see if you even have one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry bout that, I meant to say  </p>
<p>Justsayin we aren&#8217;t interested in you digging the files of WSJ! Plz respect other ppls privacy!<br />
Have we forgotten this is American!!! That we can have freedom of reglion! And not&#8230;..have some noisy beast down your neck checkin your DNA. Or to see if you even have one</p>
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