Free the FLDS Children - AKA The Freedom Liberty Defenders Society

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1. According to Brooke’s Long, A Texas Ranger who is supposed to be smarter than a monkey, He thinks that if the Ranch wanted privacy, they would have tarped the Ranch. ALL OF THE 1,700 acre’s of it!

   Some people think I’m a little too harsh when I call these goons morons. Given the fact that barbie sat on her perch with a straight face when Brooksie made an ass of himself, I don’t think I’ve been harsh enough!

   1. BILL MEDVECKY on July 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am

2. Hanging from the ceiling of the Kite Room are the cartoon-like figures of the 2008 Beijing Olympics mascots.
   The floating white kites are marked with paintings of the smiling creatures, arranged among dangling maroon ribbons. The artistic concept travelled from China to bring hope to children in the Concho Valley, those in the custody of Child Protective Services who have supervised visits with their parents in the state building on South Oakes Street.

   Until recently, the rooms were dismal and decrepit, but volunteers and artists have brightened and restored them.

   SO SAYS THE LOCAL RAG.

   Without her galpal hanging onto her, Angie Voss thought the room looked nice. Apparently, the “Rich” State of Texas has no money for little things like a paint job (Not done for 10 years), toys, or even chairs to sit on. What I found most amusing was that some of the 300 children held in captivity by Barbie for the selling block were removed from their homes that were in better condition than the meeting room and most of the foster homes the children are incarcerated in. It would seem that only CPS and Barbie have license to abuse and neglect children.

   These children that will now be using this room for their visits with their parents can thank the children of the Ranch for CPS’s sudden embarrassment of the conditions the captives are held in. The media spotlight shone a little too brightly on the real conditions the children are subjected to, so they really had no choice but to put a band-aid on their house of horrors. I would venture to bet my grandchildren that Angie’s Office is in a better condition, ain’t it Angie?

   It was in just such a house that Louisa Jessop spent 12 hours sitting in with her brand new baby until they finally found a floor space in a foster “Home” for the two of them until a real Judge set them free of the abuse and neglect CPS had in store for them.
   Who knows, maybe CPS and Barbie had found another barn to stick them into like they did with close to 600 women and children in Fort Concho.

   “Dismal and decrepit”. Not my words to describe the facilities the Ranch children enjoyed as a “Guest” of the Gestapo and CPS, but certainly words that adequately describe what conditions the children endured

   2. Bill on July 11th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

3. Go getter Julie!

   3. Bill on July 11th, 2009 at 2:05 am

4. “We live in a democratic republic.”–Mandy

   Actually, we live in a constitutional republic, and the constitution is what keeps those fine Texas Christians from creating their own little Iran down there, putting Mormons and Jews into camps and stealing their children.

   4. Julie on July 10th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

5. Oh Mandy, Walthers’ decision in the CPS case wasn’t due to a disagreement about the interpretation of law. I know you FLDS haters want everyone to believe that, but she wasn’t overturned on that reason. She was overturned on an abuse of discretion standard, which is the toughest decision to get from an appellate court. That’s why lawyers’ jaws are still on the floor over this decision—the court was saying she was not only wrong, she was incompetent.

   And I for one will never forget that for all the hand-wringing, wailing, & moaning over the children, not one of those court officials & one certain attorney had any qualms about releasing highly sensitive information about the children they allegedly cared so much about.

   5. Riki on July 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

6. Gee why would she set a date for pretrial motions BEFORE she ruled on the evidence?

   She made up her mind about this case as soon as she read Carolyn’s book.

   She could care less about rules - she read it in a book so it must be true in her small mind.

   6. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

7. I gather from that stupid statement that you’re never come into direct contact with your local LE goon.

   7. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

8. Sorry blank___ I know this will shock you , but we don’t live in a pure democracy! We live in a democratic republic.

   And by the way, Judge Walther has already set her calendar for pre trial hearings on those indicted for July 23.

   8. Mandy on July 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

9. Mandy:

   I don’t think Judge Walther has been unfair, and that she follows the letter of the law. The appeals court interpretation of the law was different than hers, it doesn’t mean she was wrong.
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   When you get your decision reversed - it DOES MEAN YOU WERE WRONG.

   This case wasn’t some technical interpretation of the law - they ruled their was no evidence to remove all the children. There was no complex analysis - there just wasn’t evidence.

   No evidence - that’s not an interpretation that’s a fact.

   When a judge gets on national tv and basically calls another a criminal - that’s a pretty bad decision.

   Give this 5-10 years and the case will show up in first year law case books. Walthers will be mocked and laughed at for years to come.

   9. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

10. What the Appeals Court said was that barbie needed EVIDENCE to abuse the FLDS children, and they saw NONE on the record before them.

    Maybe barbie doesn’t understand that there needs to be a reason to take children away, small error on her part huh?

    10. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

11. If you read people who support CPS (see Jam Inn)- you will notice they do not have even a basic idea of the definition of civil rights. One blogger didn’t even understand we don’t live in a pure democracy.

    Federal civil rights have nothing to do with one person convincing another to leave their spouse. They have everything to do with the Government over-stepping their power.

    What Walthers did to the FLDS women and children was 100 times worse than anything Warren Jeffs might have done.

    Walthers ISN’T very intelligent and she doesn’t care about her reputation. (Look at how she acted when the SCOT reversed her decision).

    She is a small-minded bigoted Southern judge who now has become a current day example of why we need the very expensive Federal appeals system.

    11. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

12. Mr Medvecky, I don’t have a clue how Judge Walther will rule. Im no mind reader. Im just telling you what the district court clerk told me.

    I don’t think Judge Walther has been unfair, and that she follows the letter of the law. The appeals court interpretation of the law was different than hers, it doesn’t mean she was wrong. That’s why we have appeals courts.

    12. Mandy on July 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

13. Would that be the same Clerk of Court’s who said the transcripts of
    Teresa Jessop, Merrianne Jeff’s, Merril and Willie were “Sealed” by barbie?

    Did the Clerk “Seal” them onto Natalie’s site and have them splashed all over the web?

    I do not fault you for only deseminating negative information concerning the FLDS, but at least you could find some credible sources.

    13. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

14. I’m shocked that the majority of people on Natalie’s site think that barbie will rule the evidence she stole admissible. Ad me to that list, I too think she will rule it admissible, she’s that crooked.

    What matters, is what the Appeals Court thinks of her “Ruling”. I’ll bet you some hard cash they overturn her like they did when she stole the children. Got any ball’s or are you all talk?

    I also think that Raymond Jessop will be convicted in barbie’s Court.
    Another bet says that he goes free on Appeal. Find any ball’s yet?

    So far, I’ve been right about the children being returned, that the Appeals Court would rule against her, that NOT ONE child will have been found to be abused or neglected, and that Merrianne will be sent to Relatives.

    Now, for the future:

    The State will non suit Merrianne and send her home to her parents BEFORE the trial is heard for her Custody.

    Raymond will be found innocent, OR, the Appeals Court will free him.

    His will be the only trial, because the last thing that Texas, Utah and Arizona want is for him or any of the men to get their foot into the Supreme Court on Polygamy charges. (Which is why there are no polygamy charges despite the fact that they are, and it is illegal in Texas.)

    Lastly, to hear that Natalie’s sit, (Against) the Plural life, TBM, and every other site out there who is anti-FLDS and who’s ratings COMBINED do not exceed this sites ratings, are bigoted and hate the FLDS is no great surprise.

    I’m familiar with this pattern; I saw it following Tricky Dickie and then Poor George despite the evidence that dickie was a crook and george is a moron.

    So long as we keep winning, and you keep losing, I could care less. The children are back home where they belong and, so far, six of the heads of departments have been bounced or quit who were involved with the attack on the children.

    Last bet if you have any testosterone left: Perry gets defeated as governor just like Governor Pyle did. Wanna bet or do you have to go change your sanitary napkin?

    14. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

15. Mr Medvecky, seems once again you are working people up into a dither saying Judge Walther will rule today or next friday on the motion to supress. Not gonna happen! I just talked to the district clerk. 1. Seems the Attorneys for Flds and Co. haven’t submitted thier responses yet. 2. Judge Walther will be on vacation next week….

    Oh the what a web we weave, when we practice to decieve.

    15. Mandy on July 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

16. ______[blank]_______, I agree that it is a good thing that the statute of limitations runs for a very long time, Jason Williams case of, “alienation of affections” and his civil rights were denied to him and many other Xflds who were never even taught about their rights by the FLDS Church. Those days are long gone and Isaac Wyler’s letter along with 35+ co-endorsers letter of 30 June, 2009 to Judge Lindberg on the UEPTrust resolutions, certainly signals a sharp change in ‘Keep Sweet’. Care to proffer any explanation on how 425+ children came to reside at the YFZ Ranch in the first place, certainly their safety and care was somebody’s responsibility? Where was Bishop F. Merril Jessop during the course of the CPS Removal, was he away on more important church business? If anyone plans to file a Civil lawsuit alot of jabber needs to be replaced with some action(s). You don’t want to wait until there are Grand Jury Convictions because it’s gonna look like sour grapes at the outcome. Let’s not keep ‘Hoax Alive’ anymore, please, nothing much happening to prove that conspiracy, either.

    16. Jam Inn on July 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

17. Jam Inn

    FYI - There is a reason Federal civil rights laws have a LONG statute of limitations.

    They take time to prove - sometimes years and years.

    There are a number of people who will NEVER forget what was done those children during the raid.

    I really don’t expect charges against people involved in the hoax - anytime soon - but someday I think there will be some very long prison sentences given to the hoax callers.

    17. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

18. The majority of people do think Walthers will rule against the FLDS -it doesn’t mean they agree with her.

    Ask anyone out-side the bigoted South - they will tell you those warrants are going to be over-turned by the Federal Courts.

    But as the blogger Texas Blues Man stated - the FLDS men will probably meet Bubba in prison before the Federal Courts had a chance to free them. (Many bloggers stated they hoped FLDS would be raped in prison).

    Walthers is a disgrace to the judiciary - she’s a perfect example of a bigoted judge who is willing to break the law to destroy a minority group.

    18. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

19. Bill, Judge Walther’s ruling is still awaiting Attorney Gerald Goldstein’s written closing statement which is still not filed with her 51st District Court and she’s on vacation. Seems judge Walther’s may not be the only one that has gone limp.

    19. Jam Inn on July 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

20. The ‘fldstexas’ blog that asked the question of how Judge Walther’s would rule ran 81% that the search warrants would stand, 16% that they would be thrown out and 3% of voters undecided. Seems her three days of testimonies fairly determined the Public’s view on her likely ruling. I am sure Bill that this survey just points out how thoroughly biased and illicit her ruling will be viewed by you but that is just par for your blog.

    Six out of the above fourteen comments are already your posts, Bill.

    Remember that the closing statements are in writing , so when people start waffling on their written words, we should all know which side is in command of the facts and truth.

    20. Jam Inn on July 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

21. I agree with most of what you say, except for;

    “Decent, Honest LE.”

    That’s an oxymoron.

    I’m told by the Ranch that Lt. Caver was “Decent”.

    If he were truly “Decent”, he would have publicly explained that he quit over what he had to do to those children during the raid instead of just walking away in disgust and silence like he did.

    The cop that shot off his gun to incite a riot at the Temple wasn’t “Decent” he committed a criminal act. Did any “Decent” LE slap the clown in cuffs or at least take away his bullets?

    21. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 11:38 am

22. Mr. Mandy,

    What we have here is a failure to communicate;

    Growing up, one of my mentors was a mild mannered lawyer named Roy Cohn.

    On the one hand, I learned to be the nicest friend anybody could ever want.

    On the other, the worst enemy anybody could ever imagine.

    When it comes to getting down and dirty, I can match any cop, cps psycho, judge or prosecutor in the Country.

    I do not throw the first punch, but once attacked, I recognize no authority over me, regardless of their position.

    I fear nothing, having already had every trick in the book thrown at me, including a vacation at gladiator school in NY for daring to go against the State’s wishes. Folks like you keep bringing up my little trip to the big house, and I keep telling you to bring forth that railroad job and lay it all out there.

    I’ve said on humorous occasions how and why I landed in prison almost 40 years ago, but folks like you insinuate that there is so much more to tell people about it. Bring it on baby, I say I was sent to prison for stealing a book, which I did not do, and you say there is much more to it. One of us is full of bull shit, let’s figure out who by looking at The State of New York v. William Medvecky, 1981, Albany County, NY

    You might also want to look up; In the Matter of Ronald Ames, a child. NYS Supreme Court, Albany NY 1981

    My being awarded that childs custody over the objections of the State and 7 of their Lawyers is what pissed them off enough to send a man to prison for years for supposedly stealing a book.

    Is Bill Medvecky on a Vendetta? No more than barbie is my dear.

    22. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am

23. We have no justice system in Texas. The judges are all in bed with the law and the prosecution ……….They make more money that way .

    23. zxcvbnm on July 10th, 2009 at 8:51 am

24. I guess I shouldn’t make derogatory comments about people who abuse and neglect children for giggles. Barbie thinks it’s just fine and dandy to rip babies and toddlers from their mother’s arms, strip search children and humiliate them to the core like animals in a barn and I’m supposed to feel something for this piece of dreck!

    I have no doubt that barbie and angie are your hero’s, Mandy, but in my book, they’re garbage and not worth the tumble you appear to crave with them.

    When it comes to making personal attacks, I need only to point to your attack on my wife who has never been involved in this case at all, yet you choose to call her names. You make the rules honey, I just follow along and keep dragging you and your muff divers out of the closet.

    24. Bill on July 10th, 2009 at 3:03 am

25. Walthers is just on an insane power trip. OF COURSE she will uphold the warrants - she knows they will be overturned but she gets to torture a group she doesn’t like until this makes its way to Federal Court.

    I’m sure she’ll try to write an opinion which would not be as laughable as the 14 day hearing opinion - but we all know it’s going to be overturned.

    What these small minded Texas bigots don’t understand is Long and Doran’s antics are going to make work more difficult for decent honest LE. Precedent is going to be established setting stricter guidelines for mass warrants - making LE’s job a little more difficult.

    25. ____________________ on July 10th, 2009 at 2:55 am

26. Mandy,

    Your friend, Sadie, posted on the SLT that my head “was up Pliggy’s ass.”

    Rather than getting angry, I offered constructive advice that she would sound more professional if she avoided using crude, vulgar words.

    Then your gal pals accused me of making a personal attack on Sadie. In addition, Sadie posted slanderous comments about me.

    Look, you gals want to post crude, slanderous comments about other people, you shouldn’t complain when other people criticize you or your group.

    26. April Day on July 9th, 2009 at 11:41 pm

27. Mr Medvecky, I realize you don’t like Judge Walther. However, she was and has been a good district judge for her area.
    I think it is really disrespectful to call someone with a disabilitly the degrading names you call her. You don’t know her, nor have you ever sat in her courtroom.
    Maybe someone should start a blog about your fat ass wife, and your prison record. Oh I know what you have told people here about your conviction. But your record speaks for itself.
    Chill with the degrading remarks.

    27. Mandy on July 9th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

28. What the idiots and haters fail to realize that if the evidence stands then not a US citizen having children is safe in their home anymore. Evidence of a crime would mean the the search was justified. Evidence of no crime would mean officers saying “Oops, our bad”.

    28. Alinusara10 on July 9th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

29. The (shock) was sarcasm, which I have been told doesn’t translate well on the internet.

    Would be nice if the friendly neighborhood DOJ started poking its nose into this business. The civil rights violations are racking up.

    29. Riki on July 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

30. I got a kick out of the 5 dancing Ito’s that barbie pretended were “Hearing the cases of the children, and yet not one of ruled that a single child could go home. That was barbie’s call, and pre-arranged with all 5 stooges sitting in that Courthouse.

    Remember the schmuck who told Joseph Jessop that he saw no abuse or neglect in his case and “Would be the first person to apologize to him if that turned out to be the case.”?

    Did the “Judge” ever offer that apology? Does Randy the blimp think he has a weight problem?

    Barbie turned Texas Law into a joke, and that’s how the good old boys like it.

    30. Bill on July 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

31. You mean like the little discussions she had with Natalie about Teresa?

    How’s about all those nifty little sessions with Childress when he was prompting all the lawyers about the FLDS based upon the words of Flora and Carolyn?

    31. Bill on July 9th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

32. Well, if that’s true, then she & the AG are acting unethically (shock) by having ex parte communications with each other.

    32. Riki on July 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

33. A little birdie in San Angelo told me that she intends to announce her ruling on Friday. Not sure if that’s this Friday or next.

    According to the bird, she’s working closely with the AG’s office to try to craft her ruling in words that will pass the smell test of the Appeals Court.

    As the old saying goes: You can shine it all you want, shit just don’t shine!

    33. Bill on July 9th, 2009 at 10:26 am

34. Of course she won’t rule against herself. This one’s going all the way up.

    34. Riki on July 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pm